Runout question

Usually the rules are pretty straightforward - but what happens if the batsman is well past the line, still running and happens to have both feet and his bat off the ground when the bails are dislodged?

mynah wrote:Usually the rules are pretty straightforward - but what happens if the batsman is well past the line, still running and happens to have both feet and his bat off the ground when the bails are dislodged?

Out

Unless he is in the air in order to avoid injury

Agree with both answers above.

Has the batsman grounded his bat or person past the line?

embee wrote:Has the batsman grounded his bat or person past the line?

Don't think it makes a difference

It does .

If he has grounded behind the line and has kept running he is in .

Otherwise you could run a batsman out as he jumps to celebrate a milestone

embee wrote:It does .

If he has grounded behind the line and has kept running he is in .

Otherwise you could run a batsman out as he jumps to celebrate a milestone

I have seen batsmen given out cos the bat has jumped after he grounded it.

I have always thought that was stupid, same as the short run rule.

tac wrote:Unless he is in the air in order to avoid injury

.... or a nasty collision with bowler/fielder/umpire.

taipan wrote:

embee wrote:It does .

If he has grounded behind the line and has kept running he is in .

Otherwise you could run a batsman out as he jumps to celebrate a milestone

I have seen batsmen given out cos the bat has jumped after he grounded it.

I have always thought that was stupid, smae as the short run rule.

Technically that is an incorrect decision ...though still out if you read the scorebook

What's wrong with the short run rule?

embee wrote:

taipan wrote:

embee wrote:It does .

If he has grounded behind the line and has kept running he is in .

Otherwise you could run a batsman out as he jumps to celebrate a milestone

I have seen batsmen given out cos the bat has jumped after he grounded it.

I have always thought that was stupid, smae as the short run rule.

Technically that is an incorrect decision ...though still out if you read the scorebook

What's wrong with the short run rule?

Say a batsman runs two, and the first run is short, he is credited with one. Technically in my eyes he hasn't completed any runs.

Ok ...I see your point ...technically both runs are short ...

But he has grounded the bat to complete a run ...and that counts ....

MtFTB batting a metre out of his crease and running a single hasn't really run a full run ....

Or a cheating non striker who starts a metre down the pitch hasn't really run a full run ....

but they are credited with one if they complete the run by grounding at the other end ...

Its an extension of those circumstances ...unless it was a deliberate short run

taipan wrote:

embee wrote:It does .

If he has grounded behind the line and has kept running he is in .

Otherwise you could run a batsman out as he jumps to celebrate a milestone

I have seen batsmen given out cos the bat has jumped after he grounded it.

That's what made me wonder. Would make most sense that the batsman is in once he has grounded either his bat or part of himself. (Wonder if helmets would count - though, admittedly, there are probably very few occasions when an umpire would have to decide whether a batsman is in or out if only his helmet has crossed the line...)

Say the batsman was properly grounded, and tries to run a second run, at which point can he be run out at the end he is leaving?

Say the batsman was properly grounded, and tries to run a second run, at which point can he be run out at the end he is leaving?

When it is obvious to the Umpire he is attempting a further run ....he has left his ground ...and the wicket is broken correctly

embee wrote:It does .

If he has grounded behind the line and has kept running he is in .

Otherwise you could run a batsman out as he jumps to celebrate a milestone

thats the right answer according to the rules. not that all umps seem to know it

Merlin wrote:

tac wrote:Unless he is in the air in order to avoid injury

.... or a nasty collision with bowler/fielder/umpire.

Even then he is given out as Sachin was given out in Kolkata in '99 vs Pak when he grounded his bat in the crease and then collided with Shoaib, the bowler standing there. When the ball hit the stumps, he was in the air. But was given out, even though he had grounded his bat in the crease before that!

Chandan wrote:

Merlin wrote:

tac wrote:Unless he is in the air in order to avoid injury

.... or a nasty collision with bowler/fielder/umpire.

Even then he is given out as Sachin was given out in Kolkata in '99 vs Pak when he grounded his bat in the crease and then collided with Shoaib, the bowler standing there. When the ball hit the stumps, he was in the air. But was given out, even though he had grounded his bat in the crease before that!

It is a well known fact that SRT is never out, regardless of the circumstances.

Chandan wrote:

Merlin wrote:

tac wrote:Unless he is in the air in order to avoid injury

.... or a nasty collision with bowler/fielder/umpire.

Even then he is given out as Sachin was given out in Kolkata in '99 vs Pak when he grounded his bat in the crease and then collided with Shoaib, the bowler standing there. When the ball hit the stumps, he was in the air. But was given out, even though he had grounded his bat in the crease before that!

another case of the ump not knowing the rules. similar happened to inzi against england in pak

The One wrote:another case of the ump not knowing the rules. similar happened to inzi against england in pak

Inzi asked him to be out. It was half-elevensies. Elevensies was a whole half hour before that. He needed to eat a block of ghee.

Inzi got airborne?

Must have looked like the Goodyear blimp.

taipan wrote:Inzi got airborne?

Must have looked like the Goodyear blimp.

There was a Earth-shudder straight after he landed. They reckon it was an 'explosion', but the clever people really knew the score.

Batfink Begins wrote:

taipan wrote:Inzi got airborne?

Must have looked like the Goodyear blimp.

There was a Earth-shudder straight after he landed. They reckon it was an 'explosion', but the clever people really knew the score.

It really did for the dinosaurs.

taipan wrote:It really did for the dinosaurs.

Yeah, what nobody has seemed to notice is that Multan is actually a massive crater now.

Batfink Begins wrote:

taipan wrote:Inzi got airborne?

Must have looked like the Goodyear blimp.

There was a Earth-shudder straight after he landed. They reckon it was an 'explosion', but the clever people really knew the score.

But did any part of him land behind the line? Considering that a batsman can lose his bat and still get home safely, it is to be presumed that part of a batsman would also do?

mynah wrote:But did any part of him land behind the line? Considering that a batsman can lose his bat and still get home safely, it is to be presumed that part of a batsman would also do?

Live reports say he was grounded after the bails were off. The reverberation was so massive there was loss of pictures. Some say the wickets were blown away by the aftershock but the umps didn't realise.