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Post by Henry Sat 02 Aug 2008, 07:44

Well?
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Post by Nath Sat 02 Aug 2008, 07:46

only in his own mind and/or in India
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Post by Paul Keating Sat 02 Aug 2008, 08:35

statistically yes.

when you look into it a bit more, questions may be asked.

Not sure what is record against McWarne is?
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Post by PearlJ Sat 02 Aug 2008, 09:30

Paul Keating wrote:statistically yes.

when you look into it a bit more, questions may be asked.

Not sure what is record against McWarne is?

Pretty good.

I still don't think he's a great though.

He only averages 43 outside of Asia.
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Post by JKLever Sat 02 Aug 2008, 10:24

He's no Ian Bell that's for sure...
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Post by furriner Sat 02 Aug 2008, 15:33

Nath wrote:only in his own mind and/or in India

Thing with Sehwag is that, great or not, he appears to be a nice guy without inflated notions of himself, and is also not an arrogant, ugly, qunt who goes around slanging the oppo and little children but whose eyes fill up with tears when he thinks of Juh Juh Juh Jeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssus.
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Post by Batman Sat 02 Aug 2008, 15:36

PearlJ wrote:
Paul Keating wrote:statistically yes.

when you look into it a bit more, questions may be asked.

Not sure what is record against McWarne is?

Pretty good.

I still don't think he's a great though.

He only averages 43 outside of Asia.

Stats can't be warped like that. His stats outside India count as overseas. Period. It's not his fault we have two neighnbours playing cricket with similiar pitches. By that logic even some Aussie bats will be supermen like if one combines their records in both Aus and NZ and some Saffies will be Gods when their scores in Zim are added to their home tally! Are you going to judge someone like Kirsten on the basis of his scores outside of Africa?
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Post by taipan Sat 02 Aug 2008, 15:39

Batman wrote: Are you going to judge someone like Kirsten on the basis of his scores outside of Africa?

Enter Bliks, satge right.
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Post by PearlJ Sat 02 Aug 2008, 15:39

Batman wrote:
PearlJ wrote:
Paul Keating wrote:statistically yes.

when you look into it a bit more, questions may be asked.

Not sure what is record against McWarne is?

Pretty good.

I still don't think he's a great though.

He only averages 43 outside of Asia.

Stats can't be warped like that. His stats outside India count as overseas. Period. It's not his fault we have two neighnbours playing cricket with similiar pitches. By that logic even some Aussie bats will be supermen like if one combines their records in both Aus and NZ and some Saffies will be Gods when their scores in Zim are added to their home tally! Are you going to judge someone like Kirsten on the basis of his scores outside of Africa?

Stop your bleating. Even Cricinfo seperate stats by continent. It's an established way of splitting stats.
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Post by PeterCS Sat 02 Aug 2008, 15:50

He is a pretty impressive model of the dominate-by-attack opener. Gordon Greenidge also comes to mind.

The problem might be (if FWIW we are considering "Hall of Fame candidates"), that with all the internationals played in the contemporary game, he has died by the sword rather too often.

Cricket definitely needs the swashbuckling buccaneers, though. Hence, whatever his place in the list of legends (or all that artificial palaver), Sehwag certainly cuts a memorable figure. Headscarf and all.
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Post by Anniyan Sat 02 Aug 2008, 15:54

PeterCS wrote: Sehwag certainly cuts a memorable figure. Headscarf and all.

Isn't it because he's bald so he wears a headscarf to keep his head cool?
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Post by furriner Sat 02 Aug 2008, 15:57

80.1 Muralitharan to Sehwag, no run, turns in from the off stump line and hits him on the pad. Going down leg and they don't appeal

80.2 Muralitharan to Sehwag, no run, leans forward to defend the off break down the track

80.3 Muralitharan to Sehwag, no run, goes back to cut a spinning off break to the off side and to cover point and he refuses the single! he doesn't want to expose Ishant . He could have taken the 200 , though. Team before self.

80.4 Muralitharan to Sehwag, no run, gets forward to drive to covers

80.5 Muralitharan to Sehwag, no run, Aha! The reverse sweep but straight to backward point. What a guy!

80.6 Muralitharan to Sehwag, 1 run, He gets his 200 with a dab past square leg. The team-mates in the dressing room are up on their feet. What a superb innings this has been.

Great or no, he is all class, a team man.
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Post by PeterCS Sat 02 Aug 2008, 15:59

Anniyan wrote:
PeterCS wrote: Sehwag certainly cuts a memorable figure. Headscarf and all.

Isn't it because he's bald so he wears a headscarf to keep his head cool?

Well, maybe! I wasn't suggesting he was deliberately styling himself as a pirate. That would be a wee bit camp, in any case.
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Post by leg glancer Sat 02 Aug 2008, 16:37

In order for me to consider him a 'great' player, he would have to become a bit more consistent. Given the nature of how he bats though, I appreciate that consistency isn't easily achieved. I've always considered him a slightly poor-man's right handed version of Lara.

So, not a 'great' of the game, but I love the way he b!tch-slaps the opposition into submission and makes bowlers look oh-so feeble.
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Post by PearlJ Sat 02 Aug 2008, 17:07

leg glancer wrote:In order for me to consider him a 'great' player, he would have to become a bit more consistent. Given the nature of how he bats though, I appreciate that consistency isn't easily achieved. I've always considered him a slightly poor-man's right handed version of Lara.

So, not a 'great' of the game, but I love the way he b!tch-slaps the opposition into submission and makes bowlers look oh-so feeble.

Good summary.

When he's on form he looks unstoppable. But when he's not he looks like a rabbit.
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Post by The One Sat 02 Aug 2008, 21:48

he is a small g great imo. you cant ignore the humongous innings he has had and against most opposition. combine that with his scoring rate and the fact that as an opener he sets the tone for the innings and you have an invaluable asset to any team

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Post by Nath Sat 02 Aug 2008, 23:33

still averages < 30 in the 2nd inngs over his Test career.
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Post by Henry Sun 03 Aug 2008, 01:05

He also only averages 28 on sundays when he forgot to shave in the morning, and there was a 3/4 moon in the sky....
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Post by The One Sun 03 Aug 2008, 10:15

PearlJ wrote:
Paul Keating wrote:statistically yes.

when you look into it a bit more, questions may be asked.

Not sure what is record against McWarne is?

Pretty good.

I still don't think he's a great though.

He only averages 43 outside of Asia.

hayden averages less than 43 outside australia. so sehwag must at least be the best modern opener

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Post by PearlJ Sun 03 Aug 2008, 10:40

The One wrote:
PearlJ wrote:
Paul Keating wrote:statistically yes.

when you look into it a bit more, questions may be asked.

Not sure what is record against McWarne is?

Pretty good.

I still don't think he's a great though.

He only averages 43 outside of Asia.

hayden averages less than 43 outside australia. so sehwag must at least be the best modern opener

48 since his comeback.
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Post by The One Sun 03 Aug 2008, 10:42

how many goal-posts can you shift before you get tired?

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Post by PearlJ Sun 03 Aug 2008, 10:45

The One wrote:how many goal-posts can you shift before you get tired?

I'm not shifting any goal posts.

I wasn't even comparing Hayden and Sehwag. But if you are going to make the comparison it stands to reason that you compare them in the era where they have both batted.
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Post by furriner Sun 03 Aug 2008, 17:23

The One wrote:how many goal-posts can you shift before you get tired?

As many as it takes?
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Post by PearlJ Sun 03 Aug 2008, 17:26

furriner wrote:
The One wrote:how many goal-posts can you shift before you get tired?

As many as it takes?

Well Indians are the best at it.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Sun 03 Aug 2008, 17:39

I'm not even a Sehwag follower but everytime I see him on Scorecards and in the News the guy is getting big centuries. Not sure how he does it to be honest, he isn't one of the Big Four and he is in and out of the Indian XI more times than I've had hot dinners.


Good on Sehwag though.
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