FFS...Another Terrorist Attack in Mumbai!!!!

PlanetPakistan wrote:Shocking article, absolutely shocking!

http://sify.com/news/columns/fullstory.php?id=14754284

He isn't just a hater but also very stupid too

PP, I agree.

But the reverse of the Zaid Hamid coin eh?

Can anyone post the sify article?

Stable Pakistan not in India痴 interest




Capt. Bharat Verma is the editor of Indian Defence Review. A quarterly journal read by leading policy makers at senior bureaucratic, political and military levels, the IDR is renowned as the "most-quoted Indian defence publication". Capt. Verma is also the founder and current editor of Lancer Publishers, a publishing house dedicated to defence and security matters.

Indians pose the biggest threat to the Union of India.

The reason is simple. An average Indian is merely an individual. His personal well-being overrides all other considerations, including national interests.

Column: Indian Army, foreign hand

This is perhaps why many have begun to propagate parting of Kashmir in their write-ups, since it does not belong individually to them. However, imagine the hue and cry if their personal property and family is held hostage by the terrorists. They will sing a different tune.

The blame lies with New Delhi. For the past 60 years, instead of consolidating the Union, leaders encouraged divisiveness on the basis of religion and caste for sheer vote bank politics. Instead of unifying its citizenry with good governance and increasing their stakes through prosperity, so that they may serve the cause of the nation with honor, it has treated its citizens with unprecedented shabbiness.

The result: groups of citizens have risen against the state, mostly for lack of economic progress and denial of justice. Such disgruntled groups are being taken advantage of by the external forces inimical to India.

There can never be unity in diversity. Unity requires a fair amount of uniformity in laws throughout the Union.

That New Delhi is its own worst enemy became obvious when it permitted the creation of a pure Islamic State on its borders. This nation-state contradicts every democratic and multi-cultural value dear to India. Therefore, if New Delhi has not slept a wink since the creation of Pakistan, it has no one except itself to blame!

Islamabad, besides the wars it imposed on New Delhi, extended its so-called Islamic purity to the Kashmir Valley by instigating the locals to carry out ethnic cleansing of the minority communities.

Hence, first we created a state with inbuilt characteristic of fundamentalism and extreme philosophy contrary to our professed beliefs; then the monster in it started ethnic cleansing in the Valley; and engineered demographic changes through Bangladesh in West Bengal, Assam and the Northeast.

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Saudi Arabia and other Islamic oil-rich countries pitched in with the petro-dollars in support, all in the cause of the illusion called Ummah and the establishment of the Caliphate.

The Indian leadership, for its personal vote-bank gains, helped these inimical forces by invoking the Illegal Migrants (determination by Tribunals) or IMDT Act in Assam, which was subsequently shot down by the Supreme Court. The damage was done, as the Union’s overburdened security forces grapple with 15 million illegal Bangladesh infiltrators creating mayhem on Indian soil.

Islamabad, Dhaka, and now Kathmandu, spurred on by Beijing, have united with the singular agenda: to unhook the Valley and the Northeast from the Indian Union.

In addition, they are instigating the Maoists, who control almost 40 n per cent of the Union’s territory, to set up a parallel government, and ultimately, like the Maoists in Nepal, win the elections in pockets of their influence, and impose a regressive authoritarian governments in tune with their own regime.

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And yet, New Delhi, instead of consolidating and unifying the Union , continues to divide its citizenry in religious or caste denominations.

Over the past 60 years, New Delhi’s muddle-headed policies actually encouraged separatism. Instead of ensuring diffusion of secular pan-Indian culture and the integration of the society by encouraging Indians from all over to buy and develop land and industry in the Valley and the Northeast, it imposed restrictions on such settlements.

Meanwhile, Pakistan and Bangladesh exported their fundamentalist population to these areas to change the demographic hues in their favour. The ugly separatist face of the agitation in the Valley today is the consequence of the dereliction of the fundamental duty by the Union.

The trend needs to be reversed forcibly by integrating the Valley firmly into the Indian mainstream by creating a secular mix of population through industrialisation.

Many conveniently propose the myth that a stable Pakistan is in India’s favour. This is a false proposition. The truth is that Pakistan is bad news for the Indian Union since 1947–stable or otherwise.

Islamabad has enjoyed brief periods of political stability since the birth of Pakistan. But even during these interludes, it continued to export terrorism, fake currency and narcotics to India. It continued its attempts to change the demography along our borders, and cultivated sleeper cells and armed groups inside our territory to create an uprising at an appropriate time.

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Also, it aligned with Beijing and other powers, in a mutually beneficial scheme, to tie-down and ultimately cause a territorial split of the Union.

With Pakistan on the brink of collapse due to massive internal as well as international contradictions, it is matter of time before it ceases to exist.
Multiple benefits will accrue to the Union of India on such demise.

If Indian national interests are defined with clarity and prioritised, the foremost threat to the Union (and for centuries before its birth) has consistently and continuously materialised on the western periphery.

To defend this key threat to the Union, New Delhi should extend its influence through export of both soft and hard power towards Central Asia, from where invasions have been mounted over centuries. The cessation of Pakistan as a state facilitates furtherance of this pivotal national objective.

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The self-destructive path that Islamabad chose will either splinter the state into many parts or it will wither away—a case of natural progression to its logical conclusion. In either case Baluchistan will achieve independence.

For New Delhi this opens a window of opportunity to ensure that the Gwadar port does not fall into the hands of the Chinese. In this, there is synergy between the political objectives of the Americans and the Indians. Our existing goodwill in Baluchistan requires intelligent leveraging.

Sindh and most of the non-Punjabi areas of Pakistan will be our new friends.

Pakistan’s breakup will be a major setback to the Jihad Factory, which functions with the help of its army and the ISI. This in turn will ease pressures on India and the international community.

With China’s one arm, i.e. Pakistan disabled, its expansionist plans will receive a severe jolt. Beijing continues to pose another primary threat to New Delhi. Even as we continue to engage with it as constructively as possible, we must strive to remove the proxy.

At the same time, it is prudent to extend moral support to the people of Tibet to sink Chinese expansionism in the morass of insurgency. For a change, let us do to them what they do to us.

With Pakistan gone, the chances of Central Asia getting infected with the Jihadi fervour will recede. Afghanistan will gain fair amount of stability. India’s access to Central Asian energy routes will open up.

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With disintegration of ISI’s inimical activities of infiltration and pushing of fake currency into India, from Nepal and Bangladesh will cease. Within the Union social harmony will improve enormously. Export of Islamic fundamentalism, with its 360-degree sweep from Islamabad, will vanish. Even a country like Thailand will heave a sigh of relief.

Above all, the gathering threat from a united group of authoritarian regimes along our 14,000 km borders, orchestrated and synchronised by Pakistan, will dissolve.

At the height of the recent disturbances in the Valley, when a general asked me for a suggestion to resolve the issue, I said: “ Remove Pakistan. The threat will disappear permanently.” Today the collapse of Pakistan as a state is almost certain. All the King’s men cannot save it from itself.

Looking ahead, New Delhi should formulate an appropriate strategy for ‘post-Pakistan scenario’ to secure India’s interests in Central Asia.

It is intriguing, therefore, to hear New Delhi mouthing the falsehood that stable Pakistan is in India’s favour. Perpetuation of such illogic for vote-bank politics is harming the consolidation and integration of the Union.

Short-sighted politicians as usual are overlooking the national interest for the short-term personal gains of a few votes.

The writer is Editor, Indian Defence Review. bharat.verma@indiandefencereview.com

The views expressed in the article are the author's and not of Sify.com

Cheers, tac.

Lashkar chief is key motivator: Kasab

Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, the amir (chief) of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, is the key motivator of Lashkar-e-Tayyeba recruits, captured terrorist Mohammed Ajmal Mohammed Amir Kasab has told investigators. Lashkar is the militant wing of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa.

Kasab, the 21-year-old Rawalpindi thief-turned-terrorist, the only survivor of the terror squads that attacked Mumbai, has cast new light on the Lashkar's methods. Saeed, who has denied links with the Lashkar, visited its training camps in Rawalpindi, Muzaffarabad and Kotli regularly and gave inflammatory speeches, he told investigators.

Kasab, who along with Mohammed Ismail Khan attacked Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, said it was a Saeed speech at Rawalpindi and a meeting with Lashkar co-founder Abu Waleed Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi that drew him to the terror outfit. Saeed is among the 20 men that India has sought from Pakistan.

Once at a Jamaat-ud-Dawa camp, Saeed convinced Kasab that Lashkar and its suicide missions were for the glory of the religion. He told investigators Lakhvi kept referring to Saeed.

Police sources said the Lakhvi-Saeed link dates back to 1990 when they formed the Markaz al-Dawa wal Irshad with the help of Al-Qaeda operative Sheikh Abu Abdel Aziz. Lakhvi, a trained Afghan-Arab terrorist, then scouted for cadres in and around Pakistan.

But Lashkar got a boost only after Pakistani dictator Zia-ul-Haq gave Saeed 200 acres of land near Muridke. Kasab said Lakhvi was the key plotter.

Kasab, who finished his training last year, trusted the Jamaat-ud-Dawa after his family was pulled out of abject poverty. Lakhvi also promised to give his family Rs 1.5 lakh if he agreed to go on the operation.

Kasab said he was given weapons training for six months, while training for tactics and explosives lasted four weeks at two different camps in Rawalpindi and Kotli. Later, handpicked cadres were taken to Mangla Dam in Muzaffarabad for eight weeks of marine and commando training.

This thread is ample reason why the Yanks should have had better security during the Manhattan Project.

Ban the USA

furriner wrote:

PlanetPakistan wrote:Shocking article, absolutely shocking!

http://sify.com/news/columns/fullstory.php?id=14754284

He isn't just a hater but also very stupid too

PP, I agree.

But the reverse of the Zaid Hamid coin eh?

are you Heera Lal by any chance?

Heeralalone?

Basil wrote:It would help if the security services of both India and Pakistan pooled their information.

thats like the mossad sharing info with the palestinians. the indians cannot trust the pakistani government, especially the isi. in fact i dont think anyone shares info with the isi

PAK and IND can never fully trust each other unless the Kashmir issue is still there

i think pakistan scored an own goal by targeting westerners and jews as well as indians this time. earlier it was only poor indians and the world thought it was a local problem. but now the whole world is aghast and expects pakistan to finally clean up its act. world pressure is enormous right now and with rice's visit today zardari will be forced to take some action. the pakistani nation needs to get out of denial and see the truth for what it is, that they are the epicentre of world terrorism and unless they get rid of these groups they will take the country down with them

PlanetPakistan wrote:

The One wrote:the pakistani reaction is so typical and dissapointing. i met a few israeli guys at the rally in bombay today and they were all saying that 'dude, the mossad is going to send in some guys to pakistan and take these b*stards out'. from what they have learnt the wife of the rabbi was tortured and raped and their kid moshe had bruises on his back. they were all ridiculously angry

every thing is going to come up now. The Pakistani media is now going to uncover all the RAW elements in Balochistan and NWFP because before we use to read about things like this
http://www.geo.tv/10-22-2008/27378.htm

...but now they will start talking about these things a LOT more than before.

At the end of the day all the mud slinging will NOT be good for the common man on BOTH sides of the borders.

if the pakistanis have any credible info then bring it out and present it to the world. no one seriously believes them yet, and coming out with all these claims only when india presents them with a list of 20 confirmed international terrorists only makes their claim look much more dubious

sweeping things under the carpet doesnt work

Read some news that US intelligence chief has approved the evidence provided by Indian investigating agencies indicating Pak involvement in the terror attacks on Mumbai.

If this news is true then Pak authorities, better get your act together. Coming days could be very tough for you especially considering that int'l community seems firmly behind India.

pakistan scored an own goal by targeting westerners and jews

Israelis are especially angry and may just make Pak to pay heavy price for its rogueness.

The One wrote:

Basil wrote:It would help if the security services of both India and Pakistan pooled their information.

thats like the mossad sharing info with the palestinians. the indians cannot trust the pakistani government, especially the isi. in fact i dont think anyone shares info with the isi

Indeed.

Those who say this are very far removed from the ground realities.

Just nuke the whole farking mess and let God sort out the innocent from the guilty.

Word.

The One wrote:

PlanetPakistan wrote:

The One wrote:the pakistani reaction is so typical and dissapointing. i met a few israeli guys at the rally in bombay today and they were all saying that 'dude, the mossad is going to send in some guys to pakistan and take these b*stards out'. from what they have learnt the wife of the rabbi was tortured and raped and their kid moshe had bruises on his back. they were all ridiculously angry

every thing is going to come up now. The Pakistani media is now going to uncover all the RAW elements in Balochistan and NWFP because before we use to read about things like this
http://www.geo.tv/10-22-2008/27378.htm

...but now they will start talking about these things a LOT more than before.

At the end of the day all the mud slinging will NOT be good for the common man on BOTH sides of the borders.

if the pakistanis have any credible info then bring it out and present it to the world. no one seriously believes them yet, and coming out with all these claims only when india presents them with a list of 20 confirmed international terrorists only makes their claim look much more dubious

sweeping things under the carpet doesnt work

No, thats a fairly old article(3 or 4 weeks old)

plus i don't think people should trust the Indian politicians and media so quickly either ESPECIALLY after the samjoutha express story where once again PAK was blamed.

SG and TO,
Simple yes or No question

Do you guys NOT sense a dal may kuch kalla in the boat story?

but i have to agree that ISI is goofed up these days and almost out of government's control HOW EVER at the same time Pakistan really NEEDS ISI.

PlanetPakistan wrote:PAK and IND can never fully trust each other unless the Kashmir Pak's 2 Nation theory and as a consequence an Islamic state issue is still there

Fixed. It's not and never really was about Kashmir. India gives up Kashmir and then what? Pak and ISI will become doves of peace and instability in the region will vanish? Kashmir was not the reason for the partition and the hatred the army and ISI cultivated for 6 decades. Remove Kashmir and the battle for India's complete dis-integration will begin. The radical Muslims will be antagonized to seek Hyderabad's independence and then Kerala and so on till there is no India left. That the whole of India must be 'liberated from Kafir's' is the stated goal of groups like LeT and Pak ISI. I agree with Capt Verma in that Sify article to one point. That we have had enough of seeking peace and getting betrayal in return from Pak for too long now. The army and [as I pointed out earlier] the ISI won't allow it. In the end war will be the only option left unless the ISI is disbanded and fast. A day will come when USA and India will have no options left but to take down Pak to remove ISI from the scene. The prerogative lies with Pak to set itself straight in this regard.

And I agree that Pak will ultimately disintegrate unless Pak removes all elements within ISI and militants who fan the fire within it's territory. I had said back on C4 as far back as in 2003 that if Pakistan did not stop exporting terror in India a day was not far when it the snake would turn back to bite the hands that fed it and that these monsters can't be controlled for too long once their reach grows. Now that they no longer need Pak Govt and ISI's hands having established their hold over the whole country and a network within all terror groups worldwide they have started dictating their terms.....Jo doosro ke liye gadda khodta hai ek din wohi ussime girta hai. Pak will never learn this lesson. As long as they remain obsessed with disintegrating India they will never be able to stop disintegration of their own nation.

PlanetPakistan wrote:SG and TO,
Simple yes or No question

Do you guys NOT sense a dal may kuch kalla in the boat story?

no. its entirely plausible. policing oceans is not like policing land territories, esp when you have 15,000 trawlers off the coast of bombay. if people can infiltrate through the LoC and the bangladesh border a sea inflitration would seem a doddle in comparison

the richest, most powerful and technologically advanced nation cannot stop all illegal immigration whether by land (mexico) or sea (cuba). they are just lucky with their neighbours, all they want to do is earn some dollars in a mcdonalds. some countries are not

PAK and IND can never fully trust each other unless the Kashmir issue is still there

You meant PoK, right!!!

found this on Rediff forum ...

IT IS DESPICABLE TO MENTION THE HORRIFIC ACTS DONE BY PAK TERRORISTS:

1. Gouging the eyes
2. Cutting fingers
3. Pulling the nails of children
4. Rape of women and then shooting their privates
5. Tying all the hostages
6. Orals and p$$$$g on the hostages, especially women, including kids
7. Peeling the skin of hostages, especially n!!!!!s of women
8. Indiscriminate firing at odd places
9. Pulling the hair of hostages
10. Burning of hostages through grenades.
11. Booby trapping live female hostages with grenades in their privates

This is not fiction. These are first hand reports from doctors who attended those hostages to confirm death. Most hostages had body parts missing like the ones mentioned above. The doctors have never seen anything more horrific like this before.

All this info is apparently being hidden on official media reporting on casualties to prevent public anger from escalating even further. Could be rumors, it could be true .. who knows ?