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Moody ...sounds just like what the Poms need
Coach of first-grade powerhouse Scarborough attacks Moody
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Braden Quartermaine
February 21, 2009 06:30pm
THE coach of first-grade powerhouse Scarborough has launched a stinging attack on Warriors' cricket icon Tom Moody.
Dual Retravision Shield-winning coach Simon Bowman says the state team has gone backwards since Moody took over two years ago.
His ire was raised after Moody criticised Perth's club cricket competition, saying the depth of quality was "pretty bare".
Bowman, aiming to guide Scarborough to its third-straight title, claimed Moody's criticism was a diversion from the Warriors' poor performances.
"It's nice and easy to put the blame on somebody else," Bowman said.
"The performances of individuals that are there _ have they got better in that time period (since Moody became coach)?
"I'd probably suggest not. In fact, some players have gone backwards in their belief and motivation and in their performances certainly."
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Bowman said club coaches found Moody aloof - part of an alarming disconnection between the state team and the local set-up - and that the former Sri Lanka coach had not telephoned him this season.
"I've tried to contact him on a couple of occasions, but it's always the same ... it has to come from us first," he said.
"I've not seen Tom Moody all season come to any Scarborough game, where we have six state players play. If that's a time problem, then of course it's down to your other coaching staff surely to get around."
Bowman said club cricketers had become disheartened by a WACA culture of overlooking local products for outsiders, citing the inclusion of Pakistani Umar Gul for the Twenty20 Big Bash and Victorian Brad Knowles for the final two one-dayers.
He said the local competition was a fantastic breeding ground for first-class cricketers.
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Braden Quartermaine
February 21, 2009 06:30pm
THE coach of first-grade powerhouse Scarborough has launched a stinging attack on Warriors' cricket icon Tom Moody.
Dual Retravision Shield-winning coach Simon Bowman says the state team has gone backwards since Moody took over two years ago.
His ire was raised after Moody criticised Perth's club cricket competition, saying the depth of quality was "pretty bare".
Bowman, aiming to guide Scarborough to its third-straight title, claimed Moody's criticism was a diversion from the Warriors' poor performances.
"It's nice and easy to put the blame on somebody else," Bowman said.
"The performances of individuals that are there _ have they got better in that time period (since Moody became coach)?
"I'd probably suggest not. In fact, some players have gone backwards in their belief and motivation and in their performances certainly."
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Bowman said club coaches found Moody aloof - part of an alarming disconnection between the state team and the local set-up - and that the former Sri Lanka coach had not telephoned him this season.
"I've tried to contact him on a couple of occasions, but it's always the same ... it has to come from us first," he said.
"I've not seen Tom Moody all season come to any Scarborough game, where we have six state players play. If that's a time problem, then of course it's down to your other coaching staff surely to get around."
Bowman said club cricketers had become disheartened by a WACA culture of overlooking local products for outsiders, citing the inclusion of Pakistani Umar Gul for the Twenty20 Big Bash and Victorian Brad Knowles for the final two one-dayers.
He said the local competition was a fantastic breeding ground for first-class cricketers.
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Recently in Oz FC cricket
Exported Wozzies
D Hussey
C Rogers
M Dighton
B Casson
C Simmons (who returned from NSW)
Imported Wozzies
B Williams
M Nicholson
M Inness
B Edmondson
S Magoffin
J Mangan
T Kelly
B Knowles
U Gul
S Ervine
S Karpinnen
S Nikitaras
Something wrong with the fast bowler production line
Exported Wozzies
D Hussey
C Rogers
M Dighton
B Casson
C Simmons (who returned from NSW)
Imported Wozzies
B Williams
M Nicholson
M Inness
B Edmondson
S Magoffin
J Mangan
T Kelly
B Knowles
U Gul
S Ervine
S Karpinnen
S Nikitaras
Something wrong with the fast bowler production line
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I found this bit
to be most enlightening.Fixtures: Aussies tour of South Africa Fixtures: Aussies tour of South Africa
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Benaud surprised by support Benaud surprised by support
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I left that in so Horrie could understand it
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you are right about the fast bowling stocks embee...a fairly brutal assessment of the moody regime...but suspect Bowman has it right when he suggested that wozzie cricket had gone backwards...
btw you forgot murray goodwin...
to be fair to moody he was not responsible for all the imports...many going to Worst Oz before Moody took over.
btw you forgot murray goodwin...
to be fair to moody he was not responsible for all the imports...many going to Worst Oz before Moody took over.
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The list wasn't about Moody ..it was about Wozzie grade cricket not creating fast bowlers
Is Goodwin an import or export?
He's from IppyWest (Bunbury)
Is Goodwin an import or export?
He's from IppyWest (Bunbury)
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fair 'nuff...
...will knowles get a go in the remaining shield matches?
it does seem odd that WA produces decent batsmen but not bowlers...
...will knowles get a go in the remaining shield matches?
it does seem odd that WA produces decent batsmen but not bowlers...
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Good f'n luck with that.embee wrote:I left that in so Horrie could understand it
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horace wrote:fair 'nuff...
...will knowles get a go in the remaining shield matches?
it does seem odd that WA produces decent batsmen but not bowlers...
Do the other states have the over restrictions for Under 20 fast bowlers?
Can only bowl up to 18 in a day in Woz ...applies to WACA comps (junior and senior) and Country Week ...not sure about other comps
Supposed to protect them from injury ...seems to be preventing them from developing
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Who knows with Knowles ...the wozzie selectors are a funny lot ...he didnt bowl much in the last grade game because his team got rolled for 54 in the first week (when he was away for the Franger) and Melville had done most of their batting too ...Uni spent the second week mopping up the tail and batting to avoid the outright loss ... 10 - 1- 1-32
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What a top idea. Stop developing fast bowlers with any stamina.embee wrote:horace wrote:fair 'nuff...
...will knowles get a go in the remaining shield matches?
it does seem odd that WA produces decent batsmen but not bowlers...
Do the other states have the over restrictions for Under 20 fast bowlers?
Can only bowl up to 18 in a day in Woz ...applies to WACA comps (junior and senior) and Country Week ...not sure about other comps
Supposed to protect them from injury ...seems to be preventing them from developing
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Zat wrote:What a top idea. Stop developing fast bowlers with any stamina.embee wrote:horace wrote:fair 'nuff...
...will knowles get a go in the remaining shield matches?
it does seem odd that WA produces decent batsmen but not bowlers...
Do the other states have the over restrictions for Under 20 fast bowlers?
Can only bowl up to 18 in a day in Woz ...applies to WACA comps (junior and senior) and Country Week ...not sure about other comps
Supposed to protect them from injury ...seems to be preventing them from developing
We've got similar restrictions.
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really?
does the same apply in other states and countries?
does the same apply in other states and countries?
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Senior players 'ordinary': Moody
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Warriors coach Tom Moody has blamed senior players including Luke Ronchi, Ben Edmondson and Adam Voges for letting down their younger teammates during another wasted season - while saying he had done everything he could to get the best out of his underperforming side.
WA's slim hopes of Sheffield Shield silverware collapsed in a heap with a nine-wicket defeat at home to South Australia, leaving them with pride - and trying to avoid a four-day competition wooden spoon - to play for this week against New South Wales.
With Dennis Lillee's claim the 2008 Warriors could become one of the great side's in the state's history look as bare as the Warriors' trophy cabinet, Moody was left to try and explain WA's failures after two years with him in charge.
And the former coach of Sri Lanka said the more experienced players in the WA dressing room had let the team down, following the retirement of Justin Langer and the defection of Chris Rogers to title-favourites Victoria.
"We needed that senior group to step up, particularly when we had the retirement of Justin Langer, we lost Chris Rogers to Victoria and we had Shaun Marsh (away)," Moody said.
"To show the consistency and show the way forward. Each and every one of those players have had pretty ordinary seasons.
"It makes it very hard for a younger group underneath them to get established. You hope they are going to lead from the front and set an example not only with runs and wickets.
When asked about his own responsibility for WA's failings, Moody said he, assistant Trevor Penney and the WACA Backroom staff were doing everything they could to improve the side's paucity of success.
"It has been a very difficult year. We have worked very hard as a group, and constantly what we are doing on a weekly basis," Moody said.
"We hurt as much as anyone else when you have losses, all we can do is make sure that we are covering off every area we can and tick off those boxes and provide the right environment to get better.
"At times you have to hit rock bottom to be able to bounce back and build for the future."
With 26 players making an appearance for WA this year, Moody said he was looking to persevere in a bid to forge a strong bond between young players as in the all-conquering WA team of the mid-90s.
That would mean the likes of Liam Davis, Wes Robinson and Luke Towers being nurtured - will not closing the door to possible squad inclusions.
"The top three are guys that have come straight out club cricket really. We are used to having Rogers and Langer at the top of the order, so we are going from one extreme to the other," Moody said.
"But you have to start from some point. The guys are a talented bunch without a lot of experience, we need to keep working hard with them and keep showing the faith.
"We have only given limited opportunity to a couple of players, so I would like to think to continue to show the faith in some of the young talent we have got
"We would be crazy not to keep our eye open in all areas of our game how we can strengthen WA cricket.
"The last thing we want to be doing is not creating opportunities for our own product - we need to be patient with them."
* Tim Clarke
* March 1, 2009 - 3:11PM
Warriors coach Tom Moody has blamed senior players including Luke Ronchi, Ben Edmondson and Adam Voges for letting down their younger teammates during another wasted season - while saying he had done everything he could to get the best out of his underperforming side.
WA's slim hopes of Sheffield Shield silverware collapsed in a heap with a nine-wicket defeat at home to South Australia, leaving them with pride - and trying to avoid a four-day competition wooden spoon - to play for this week against New South Wales.
With Dennis Lillee's claim the 2008 Warriors could become one of the great side's in the state's history look as bare as the Warriors' trophy cabinet, Moody was left to try and explain WA's failures after two years with him in charge.
And the former coach of Sri Lanka said the more experienced players in the WA dressing room had let the team down, following the retirement of Justin Langer and the defection of Chris Rogers to title-favourites Victoria.
"We needed that senior group to step up, particularly when we had the retirement of Justin Langer, we lost Chris Rogers to Victoria and we had Shaun Marsh (away)," Moody said.
"To show the consistency and show the way forward. Each and every one of those players have had pretty ordinary seasons.
"It makes it very hard for a younger group underneath them to get established. You hope they are going to lead from the front and set an example not only with runs and wickets.
When asked about his own responsibility for WA's failings, Moody said he, assistant Trevor Penney and the WACA Backroom staff were doing everything they could to improve the side's paucity of success.
"It has been a very difficult year. We have worked very hard as a group, and constantly what we are doing on a weekly basis," Moody said.
"We hurt as much as anyone else when you have losses, all we can do is make sure that we are covering off every area we can and tick off those boxes and provide the right environment to get better.
"At times you have to hit rock bottom to be able to bounce back and build for the future."
With 26 players making an appearance for WA this year, Moody said he was looking to persevere in a bid to forge a strong bond between young players as in the all-conquering WA team of the mid-90s.
That would mean the likes of Liam Davis, Wes Robinson and Luke Towers being nurtured - will not closing the door to possible squad inclusions.
"The top three are guys that have come straight out club cricket really. We are used to having Rogers and Langer at the top of the order, so we are going from one extreme to the other," Moody said.
"But you have to start from some point. The guys are a talented bunch without a lot of experience, we need to keep working hard with them and keep showing the faith.
"We have only given limited opportunity to a couple of players, so I would like to think to continue to show the faith in some of the young talent we have got
"We would be crazy not to keep our eye open in all areas of our game how we can strengthen WA cricket.
"The last thing we want to be doing is not creating opportunities for our own product - we need to be patient with them."
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love how Moody did not take a scintilla of personal responsibility or interest in examining his own perfomance...with an application like that he is shoe in to be the Pomgolian coach
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even with the dead weight of the tall stoopid bloke Worst Australian cricket undeniably has gone backwards...being thrashed by the jellybacks - the england of State cricket- is humiliating and should prompt a broad ranging inquiry - after Moods is demoted to running Pomgolian cricket
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