So why are India afraid of ICC drug testing?

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code, which was put in place by the ICC from January, requires players in the testing pool to inform the governing body through an online form about their whereabouts in advance. Lorgat revealed that an "overwhelming majority" of players in the pool from all countries have done so during the trial period, within the ICC's July 31 deadline, except India.

nothing to hide, eh?

ridiculous. there is no good reason not to comply

The One wrote:ridiculous. there is no good reason not to comply

yes there is

Yeah, that the drug tester is a pointy hatted West Australian.

Personal abuse. I'm reporting you to Dello...

[runs away crying like a little bitch]

Invader Zim wrote:Personal abuse. I'm reporting you to Dello...

[runs away crying like a little bitchRobi]

Fixed.

Guys, please remember, this is the BCCI we're talking about. The rules either don't apply to them, or they work to their own timetable. It's nothing new.

The players have a problem with the whole, predicting exactly where they will be months in advance thing.

doremi wrote:The players have a problem with the whole, predicting exactly where they will be months in advance thing.

Ah, the figjam defence.

Can't do anything to upset the puppet master that runs the ICC.

According to the ICC, an "overwhelming majority" of players in the testing pool from all countries have agreed to submit to the code, except India. The Federation of International Cricketers' Associations (FICA), of which India is not a member, has already warned that if the ICC does not penalise India's players for failing to submit to the anti-doping norms in time, it would ensure that players from all other countries would be relieved from similar obligations.

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Fark the drug testing. Hire an orthopod.

Can't wait till the IOC hears cricket's case for inculsion at the Olympics if this goes on.

IOC Delegate: So, tell us about your drug testing. We're very big on the Olympics being clean.

ICC Delegate: Well, we have a policy that we put to our member nations a while back. Then one, which brings in a bit of money, decided they didn't really need to comply with that, so we put the whole thing in the too hard basket. But it's not a problem, honestly.

IOC Delegate: OK, thanks for your time. We'll call you...

doremi wrote:The players have a problem with the whole, predicting exactly where they will be months in advance thing.

that does seem to be the problem, esp for some players like srt and dhoni, who are targetted by pakistani terror groups. they need to sit with wada and sort this issue out pronto

For once BCCI is right. And there is no reason why India alone is being held responsible The new doping test rules are a tinpot dictatorship and breach of personal lives and commitments to all players of all boards. Why should they be informing some paranoid authority where they will be everyday and should be ready to make time at any minute in the middle of something important for 'testing' on non-playing days. On playing days they are always available for testing or before a tournament starts. I don't know if this implemented in other sports like with players in olympics, footie, rugby etc. If so it is also equally unfair. If not then it would be even more ridiculous holding merely cricketers under such hold specifically.

This is an unwanted intrusion in someone's life. I don't see why ANY player should be under round the clock surveillance everyday a year 24x7x30x365 for nothing. Besides there are also security aspects of players if such info of their day to day schedule gets leaked out! This is all a huge hogwash and tinpot dictatorship and high handedness at best and all players in cricket world should protest!

Of course if people are just going to use this stick to beat BCCI and Indian players without being objective than it's their call.

Zat, blaming BCCI for non-compliance for 'money power' is wholly misplaced and just farking ridiculous. How would you like it if someone at your job forced you to fill up forms at what you do or where will you be after working hours outside of office and asked you to be on standby at any given notice every single day and asked you for an annual schedule of your whereabouts? And if you happened to be on the hitlist of some criminal/terror organizations, you would be even more jeopardized! This is just one aspect. The second is of losing privacy and dignified normal life on non-playing days. I am sure there are better ways of testing drugs some days before a tournament starts and after it ends. This is misplaced paranoia of the worst kind linking BCCI and it's players and their money over this.


On a lighter note, my sympathies for any player who is expected to be on call from WADA on the day he gets married or is in the middle of a honeymoon.....

Batman wrote:On a lighter note, my sympathies for any player who is expected to be on call from WADA on the day he gets married or is in the middle of a honeymoon.....

Why? Do the players go on alcohol and drug benders on their wedding night and/or honeymoon?

Batman wrote:Zat, blaming BCCI for non-compliance for 'money power' is wholly misplaced and just farking ridiculous. How would you like it if someone at your job forced you to fill up forms at what you do or where will you be after working hours outside of office and asked you to be on standby at any given notice every single day and asked you for an annual schedule of your whereabouts? And if you happened to be on the hitlist of some criminal/terror organizations, you would be even more jeopardized! This is just one aspect. The second is of losing privacy and dignified normal life on non-playing days. I am sure there are better ways of testing drugs some days before a tournament starts and after it ends. This is misplaced paranoia of the worst kind linking BCCI and it's players and their money over this.


On a lighter note, my sympathies for any player who is expected to be on call from WADA on the day he gets married or is in the middle of a honeymoon.....

Where do I start?
Virtually every sport played at an elite level has agreed to the WADA code. Every Test playing nation in cricket has, except India. Given that whenever something happens that some Indian player gets upset about, the BCCI eventually starts making subtle reminders about the power of it's money, pardon me for being skeptical. And in this case, surprise surprise, it's India's players who are objecting. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other athletes in other sports from countries where terrorism happens periodically who comply with the regulations, especially with regard to out-of-competition testing. Given the number of people who have cheated in sports over the years bebcause of drugs, it's unfortunately a part of the price you pay for being a top-class athlete.

And any player who gets married that often, or goes on that many honeymoons for drug Testing to be a big issue deserves what he gets.

Batman wrote:Zat, blaming BCCI for non-compliance for 'money power' is wholly misplaced and just farking ridiculous. How would you like it if someone at your job forced you to fill up forms at what you do or where will you be after working hours outside of office and asked you to be on standby at any given notice every single day and asked you for an annual schedule of your whereabouts? And if you happened to be on the hitlist of some criminal/terror organizations, you would be even more jeopardized! This is just one aspect. The second is of losing privacy and dignified normal life on non-playing days. I am sure there are better ways of testing drugs some days before a tournament starts and after it ends. This is misplaced paranoia of the worst kind linking BCCI and it's players and their money over this.


On a lighter note, my sympathies for any player who is expected to be on call from WADA on the day he gets married or is in the middle of a honeymoon.....

Any business executive , politician or medical professional in Australia earning an equivalent amount to an Australian Cricketer would be required to meet most of those conditions

If other sports have agreed to this, then a few can't carry a banner of revolt unless others too join in. In which case Indian cricketers hopefully too will fall in line with it! But it's a shame that WADA needs to snoop on players private lives and keeping tabs on them to prevent 'cheats' from doping. Because the acts of the few are tarnishing all of them and allowing them to be unfairly painted in the same brush and allowing them to be owned by people who have no business interfering in their non-playing schedule. The whole system has become too paranoid and control hungry it seems. Frankly speaking this cannot sustain for too long. Just a matter of time before a lot of players eventually rebel and sporting federations come apart at seams. Quite possible.

I am not aware if BCCI has brought in their money threat yet because IF they have, then good luck to them. It doesn't extend beyond cricket events to other sporting arenas as is.

From cricinfo...

Concerns about the 'whereabouts' clause in the amended WADA code is not a cricket-specific issue and has been treated as a matter of concern in other sports, particularly team sports such as football. FIFA, football's governing body, is still not completely WADA-compliant due to similar concerns and has suggested that only players they deem as high-risk be included in the testing pool. Tennis stars such as Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal have also spoken out against revealing whereabouts information in advance. There is a meeting of world player associations, including FICA, in London in early September with WADA to discuss these concerns. The ICC will also raise these concerns with WADA at a review meeting this year-end.

Full article at http://www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/417363.html

Like I said, this can't be too good and Indian top stars can't be the only ones finding it out of the way. Again the fact remains that a lot of top people are being placed at security risks and the whole process is unfair and an invasion of one's privacy. The only thing worse could be placing the players under 24 hour camera surveliance if one takes it all the way to it's logical end...

Lets see if some sense is seen by all parties concerned! This could get interesting some time onwards...

Blame the Soviets and the East Germans.

Here's another article from cricinfo, referring to other Indian athletes and their attitude towards Testing. I think it kind of blows any of the players' arguments out of the water...

The BCCI president Shashank Manohar said after the meeting that the whereabouts clause was a violation to the right to privacy of players and went against the Indian constitution which guaranteed this right to every citizen.

Shooter Abhinav Bindra and athlete Anju Bobby George said that there own security and privacy had not been violated in the past. Bindra, India's first individual gold medal winner in the Olympics, said security was not a consideration since the information provided was only going to the concerned officer and was strictly confidential. "Once you have your basic schedule for one quarter ready, you can keep updating the information," Bindra told the Times of India. "There have been instances when I haven't updated the information but then they are not coming to test you every single day. However, as an athlete you have to make a conscious effort to help the testers."

Bobby George, the first Indian athlete to win a medal at the World Championships in Athletics, said penalties were not always imposed for missing tests. "Once during the monsoon, I had to advance my training and was not present at my home when the testers came," she said. "It happened again but luckily I was present when they came looking for me the third time."

Seems there's a degree of common sense employed on the process. But let's face it, Harbi isn't exactly renowned for his common sense.

Bobby George won an olympic gold medal? For India?