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Post by Zat Thu 03 Sep 2009, 23:39

Cricinfo article. (I've added the bold for emphasis.)
With the referral system about to be introduced into Test cricket on a full-time basis, there are no signs that the standard of international umpiring is improving. If anything, it's going the other way. There are some real howlers being made; not mistakes, anybody can make those, but bad umpiring decisions.

Borderline decisions are part of the game, and either way they are accepted by players. However, when a left-arm over the wicket bowler isn't swinging the ball back into a right-hand batsman and an umpire awards an lbw from a length delivery, that's a bad decision. The fact that the umpire is even contemplating a decision in favour of the bowler means he has a tenuous understanding of the lbw law; that's a mistake.

For umpires to make such mistakes I'm wondering if they are being influenced by some of the gimmicks used on television. Hawk-Eye's predictive path has the ball hitting the stumps a high percentage of the time. Anybody who has watched a net session where a bowler is operating with three stumps and no batsman and landing on a good length will tell you the ball rarely disturbs the furniture. This is particularly so on pitches where there's a bit of bounce.

There are some lbw appeals where you know immediately the umpire shouldn't be giving them out, but the ball is shown on television to be clipping the outside edge of the stumps. Does this tend to influence the on-field umpire's decision-making?

The ICC needs to be wary of the referral system. What is sometimes called "technology" actually involves a human hand; it may add to the viewer's entertainment, but it should not be used to decide the fate of a batsman in Test cricket.

It would be ironic if umpires, in the name of fairness, aren't allowed to stand in Tests where their country is playing, but a behind-the-scenes-operator who has a "home side" involved in the match has a say in the decision-making process. Also, will these behind-the-scenes- operators be subject to the same corruption regulations that apply to players and officials? If they're not, they should be.

It's time to concentrate on ways to improve the standard of umpiring rather than harbour the misguided belief that the use of more "technology" is going to enhance the officiating. The reliance on off-field help in the decision-making process is part of the problem rather than being the solution.

One solution could be to ensure the best umpires are standing wherever possible. It's ludicrous that Simon Taufel, who has been judged the best international umpire for the last five years, can't participate in an Ashes series or stand in a Test on his home ground in Sydney.

In the early part of his umpiring career former England allrounder Peter Willey was regarded very highly by the players but he didn't want to be away from home regularly, so he wasn't included on the international panel. He should have at least been umpiring Tests in England.
More (but not much more) in the link above.

The WC final in the WI showed that the umpires have a lower level of understanding of the laws than many fans or commentators. Other instances have occurred as well.

Hawk Eye is regarded as gospel by many. It still gets things wrong. And is subject to glitches, like all technology.

How are we to know that someone in a TV control room, when superimposing the 'mat' on the screen doesn't decide to move it a pizel or two to the left, in order to show the ball pitching in line with the stumps, or strikeing the batsman 'in line'?

And wrt umpiring appointments, at least give the teams competing the choice of netural umpires or 'best available'. With the series involving the higher-ranked team getting first choice when series are on simultaneously. If both sides don't agree, then go for the neutrals.

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Post by DJ_Smerk Thu 03 Sep 2009, 23:41

Referral system....oh I forgot that was floating around. Don't see much need in it, unless in extreme cases.
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Post by Zat Thu 03 Sep 2009, 23:49

As long as the umpires can refer, and the players can ask for a referral, there will be a heap of referrals. The ICC should bite the bullet and remove the option for the umpire to make a referral, meaning that the players would either have to put up or shut up, especially with a limited number of incorrect referrals available to them.

Doing that should get rid of any whingeing over incorrect decisions, and stop people from saying 'why didn't the umpire go upstairs on that one'.

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Post by G.Wood Thu 03 Sep 2009, 23:50

Every other major international sport uses neutral officials, I don't see what the big deal is about Taufel not being able to umpire aus games.

Although it was grouse having those pommie umpires in 89 who thouht the LBW stated "the batsman is out if Clem hits the pads'
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Post by Zat Thu 03 Sep 2009, 23:53

Cricket has shot itself in the foot, though, with the netral umpires thing. It was brought in because of the palpably corrupt behaviour of umpires in some countries which were unable to get their houses in order.

Interestingly in Super 14 rugby this year, SANZAR went away from the 'neutral' refs system, and went instead for the best ref for the job. And most of the time, it worked out fine.

In this day and age where every decision can be (and is) analysed many times over, any umpire doing the wrong thing will be picked up fairly swiftly.

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Post by LeFromage Fri 04 Sep 2009, 00:17

Referrals are bollocks.

If the technology isn't good enough - which it isn't, particularly for catches claimed close to the ground - all it creates is more confusion and cheapens the game further.

The WI/Eng referral series last winter was an absolute farce.

Don't come crying to me when it all goes tits up.
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Post by JKLever Fri 04 Sep 2009, 00:26

Are they seriously going to give lbw's when hawkeye shows it just clipping?

Welcome to 80 all out as a par score...
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Post by G.Wood Fri 04 Sep 2009, 00:27

Just restrict tv channels to 2 replays of appeals with no hawkeye, hotspot or super slo-mo.
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Post by LeFromage Fri 04 Sep 2009, 00:30

During the winter, HawkEye's predictive path wasn't allowed. The third umpire was only allowed to see it up to the point of impact - what actually happened, rather than the mystical world of hypotheticals and fairy dust.

I think.

Are they changing that?
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Post by Guest Fri 04 Sep 2009, 00:39

It's qunts like Rana that made the neutral umpire rule obligatory.

They shouldn't refuse home umpires to take a match if they have a good record like Taufell has, it's only if they are clearly biased shithouse tossers like Rana that they shouldn't stand.

The answer wasn't to ban all home umpires, the answer was to ban shithouse umpires.

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Post by Zat Fri 04 Sep 2009, 01:03

Dello wrote:During the winter, HawkEye's predictive path wasn't allowed. The third umpire was only allowed to see it up to the point of impact - what actually happened, rather than the mystical world of hypotheticals and fairy dust.

I think.

Are they changing that?
I hope not. But with the ICC, who knows?
vilkrang wrote:It's qunts like Rana that made the neutral umpire rule obligatory.

They shouldn't refuse home umpires to take a match if they have a good record like Taufell has, it's only if they are clearly biased shithouse tossers like Rana that they shouldn't stand.

The answer wasn't to ban all home umpires, the answer was to ban shithouse umpires.
Makes too much sense, never would have worked because if that.

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Post by DJ_Smerk Fri 04 Sep 2009, 01:07

ICC is void of sense (on most occasions).
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Post by doctorspin Fri 04 Sep 2009, 01:41

Zat wrote:Cricket has shot itself in the foot, though, with the netral umpires thing. It was brought in because of the palpably corrupt behaviour of umpires in some countries which were unable to get their houses in order.
I don't think it was because of the corrupt, cheating home biased umpires of some nations. Ironically enough, it was because some nations believed that some other home umpires would naturally give decisions against them.

Dear me, this is difficult without naming the particulars.

I recall vividly a series when Pakistan played in England. At the time the English umpires were considered to be the best by far in terms of skill and impeccably unbiased (well Dicky Bird was incredibly biased, but that was against any bowler and appeal regardless of which side they were.)

Were are talking Davids Constance and Shepherd and Dicky Bird plus some other very good local umpires.

A few decisions went against Pakistan who were outraged (I recall one was a run-out decision). Lo and behold, with unseemly haste, shortly after that tour the ICC ensured that England and whoever they were playing would never again benefit from the best umpires in the business (at the time).

Now it is Oz being denied Taufel and if Peter Willey was on the panel, England and their opponents would be denied his officiating. I can't see Peter Willey tolerating any nonsense from the likes of Panesar and Broad and would probably be as likely to send both away with a thick ear as any other drama queen from foreign shores.

Yes, despite the breathtakingly brazen, cheating, biased corruption of some home umpires, nothing happened (other than talk) until the Boards who housed those same brazen cheating umpires complained about the better more unbiased umpires who were perceived as being as corrupt as the corrupt sheisters they knew and loved back home. (In psychiatry it is called projection; i.e. you would not assume Dicky Bird was cheating unless it was an automatic assumption you made that everyone is at it.)

To be fair to some of the umpires and Boards at on the Eastern side of the World, it has to be said that the cool dudes of the West Indies probably don't hold particularly fond memories of some of the umpires they encountered in some of the smaller islands of the Antipodes.


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Post by Zat Fri 04 Sep 2009, 01:43

How often was Javed given out lbw in matches at home?

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Post by doctorspin Fri 04 Sep 2009, 01:45

Zat wrote:How often was Javed given out lbw in matches at home?
Yeh, well that is making my point. I think the answer is NUL/Zero/Never/000000000000.00000000000 or thereabouts
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Post by Zat Fri 04 Sep 2009, 01:48

I believe the first time was during a match in the 87 WC. With neutral umpires standing.

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Post by Josh Carney Fri 04 Sep 2009, 03:42

There were similar moanings when the third umpire option was introduced for run outs and stumpings. People were finding excuses on why it should not be persisted. Mostly from players of a bygone era.

Things can only improve with technology. Sure it may not be perfect straightaway but it will be more consistent and with time it will get better.

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Post by Zat Fri 04 Sep 2009, 04:16

Thank you come again.

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Post by G.Wood Fri 04 Sep 2009, 04:30

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Post by Bradman Fri 04 Sep 2009, 04:45

How about sticking with a system that worked for 120 years. Umpires work it out, you go back into the sheds, smash a wall in and get to bitch about the decision for the next twenty years.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Fri 04 Sep 2009, 04:51

Worked for Boycs.
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Post by JKLever Fri 04 Sep 2009, 10:20

Blame Imran
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Post by Bradman Mon 07 Sep 2009, 11:47

Castrate Chappelli.
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Post by lardbucket Mon 14 Jan 2013, 10:21

... some fairly accurate predictions were made by The World Standard Qunt on this particular occasion.

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Post by Brass Monkey Mon 14 Jan 2013, 12:01

Meh.
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