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Post by horace Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:47 pm

Just announced.
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Post by taipan Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:49 pm

horace wrote:Just announced.

COOK NOW SACKED
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Post by JGK Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:53 pm

Was it the Hawaiian natives again?

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Post by lardbucket Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:20 pm

doctorspin wins in a triumph of patience and quiet persistence

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Post by skully Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:25 pm

Well done Chef. Other than your shit catching at 1st slip and dodgy field placings, you done OK.

At 32 he probably has 4 or 5 years left to extend his formidable batting record in Tests.
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Post by taipan Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:33 pm

lardbucket wrote:doctorspin wins in a triumph of patience and quiet persistence

Aye, if DS had been more forthright he would have been gone years ago.
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Post by taipan Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:40 pm

I guess Root is the crown prince.
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Post by JGK Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:50 pm

skully wrote:Well done Chef. Other than your shit catching at 1st slip and dodgy field placings, you done OK.

At 32 he probably has 4 or 5 years left to extend his formidable batting record in Tests.


5000 runs (and 60 Tests) to catch SRT. Must be a chance.

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Post by taipan Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:59 pm

Aren't SA due to tour England this year?
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Post by JGK Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:12 pm

taipan wrote:Aren't SA due to tour England this year?


Steyn nearly done; Morne nearly done; Abbott walked. Just needs to worry about Rabada. Smile

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Post by taipan Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:15 pm

JGK wrote:
taipan wrote:Aren't SA due to tour England this year?


Steyn nearly done; Morne nearly done; Abbott walked.  Just needs to worry about Rabada. Smile

Was referring to the Vaughan/Hussain/Strauss curse. But maybe that ended with Smith.
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Post by Red Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:48 pm

taipan wrote:
JGK wrote:
taipan wrote:Aren't SA due to tour England this year?


Steyn nearly done; Morne nearly done; Abbott walked.  Just needs to worry about Rabada. Smile

Was referring to the Vaughan/Hussain/Strauss curse. But maybe that ended with Smith.

Now even I worked that one out.

Cook is making the early call to avoid that fate. Smile
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Post by PeterCS Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:31 am

For the most part - a couple a significant dips apart - a mighty opener. And a core of adamant.

Until recently, a farcically timid captain. Improved quite a bit in that regard, but that was not hard.

I hope, freed of the shackles, he bats on, and on.

And that Root grows fast into the role. Because it would be shock if anyone else was drafted in. Even on the old Aussie principle - choose your most secure players, then your skipper from that core - he is the glaring standout candidate.

Funny he has been given (as far as I know) no leadership role for years. Not even as temporary in-match stand-in (?).
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Post by horace Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:35 am

does this signal the potential drafting of I Ron Bell?
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Post by Basil Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:40 am

Cook was no tactical genius, but neither was he the dolt that Shane Warne made him out to be. Some bowling attacks might be in for a serious toweling over the next three years or so.
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Post by lardbucket Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:20 am

In response, KP advertises his quntitude again.

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Post by skully Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:34 am

Hmm, methinks Chef will still carry significant influence in the England hierarchy, thus #BringBackKP is likely to be just a tongue in cheek bid for attention.
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Post by Bradman Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:09 pm

PeterCS wrote:For the most part - a couple a significant dips apart - a mighty opener. And a core of adamant.

Until recently, a farcically timid captain. Improved quite a bit in that regard, but that was not hard.

I hope, freed of the shackles, he bats on, and on.

And that Root grows fast into the role. Because it would be shock if anyone else was drafted in. Even on the old Aussie principle - choose your most secure players, then your skipper from that core - he is the glaring standout candidate.

Funny he has been given (as far as I know) no leadership role for years. Not even as temporary in-match stand-in (?).

I thought that due to almost zero county stuff for test regulars and thus leadership opportunities you sent some of your probables on army style leadership courses? Or do they just tick a box saying they'd done outward bound as kids?
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Post by Basil Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:35 pm

Bradman wrote:
PeterCS wrote:For the most part - a couple a significant dips apart - a mighty opener. And a core of adamant.

Until recently, a farcically timid captain. Improved quite a bit in that regard, but that was not hard.

I hope, freed of the shackles, he bats on, and on.

And that Root grows fast into the role. Because it would be shock if anyone else was drafted in. Even on the old Aussie principle - choose your most secure players, then your skipper from that core - he is the glaring standout candidate.

Funny he has been given (as far as I know) no leadership role for years. Not even as temporary in-match stand-in (?).

I thought that due to almost zero county stuff for test regulars and thus leadership opportunities you sent some of your probables on army style leadership courses?  Or do they just tick a box saying they'd done outward bound as kids?

I don't know about the leadership courses, but if you have a group of individuals together over a long enough period, leaders will emerge.
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Post by taipan Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:47 pm

Basil wrote:
Bradman wrote:
PeterCS wrote:For the most part - a couple a significant dips apart - a mighty opener. And a core of adamant.

Until recently, a farcically timid captain. Improved quite a bit in that regard, but that was not hard.

I hope, freed of the shackles, he bats on, and on.

And that Root grows fast into the role. Because it would be shock if anyone else was drafted in. Even on the old Aussie principle - choose your most secure players, then your skipper from that core - he is the glaring standout candidate.

Funny he has been given (as far as I know) no leadership role for years. Not even as temporary in-match stand-in (?).

I thought that due to almost zero county stuff for test regulars and thus leadership opportunities you sent some of your probables on army style leadership courses?  Or do they just tick a box saying they'd done outward bound as kids?

I don't know about the leadership courses, but if you have a group of individuals together over a long enough period, leaders will emerge.

Botham, Tendulkar etc.
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Post by PeterCS Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:04 am

All I was getting at is, since the Radical One has been talked of as likely next Test skipper for a couple of years (i.e. basically since he established himself in the side), it's odd they haven't given him any experience at all.

Whether as a trial, an acid test, a seasoning, a tempering, or just a go. Experience. Even for a session or two. Not odd?
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Post by skully Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:39 am

I wonder if the added burden will weigh heavily on the Neph.
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Post by Basil Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:20 am

PeterCS wrote:All I was getting at is, since the Radical One has been talked of as likely next Test skipper for a couple of years (i.e. basically since he established himself in the side), it's odd they haven't given him any experience at all.

Whether as a trial, an acid test, a seasoning, a tempering, or just a go. Experience. Even for a session or two. Not odd?

Lack of captaincy experience didn't do Vaughan any harm
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Post by PeterCS Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:43 pm

Probably true, as skipper. He came good in 2005 especially.

The other aspect - following on from Skully's point - though:

MP Vaughan, Test averages

Not as captain: batting: 31 Tests @ 50.98 (bowling FWIW: 67.20)
As Captain: 51 Tests @ 36.02 (bowling FWIW: 225.00)
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Post by Basil Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:13 pm

Ok, but someone has to do it and whoever is chosen runs the risk of the captaincy having a detrimental effect on his form. If not Root who? Stokes possibly but is he too hot-headed? Moeen - but how secure is his place in the side, given his apparent inability to play the short ball which might be cruelly exposed by South Africa and particularly Aussie bowlers in their own backyard.
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