James Anderson

Is it safe to say no pace bowler will ever beat his 700+ test wickets?
Secondly, bowling like he is, why TF is he not playing all of this series or at least some of the home tests this year where conditions generally favour him? Why one test and out? I'd have picked him for 3 or 4 of the next home 6 tests.

Very safe.

An extraordinary performance by Jimmeh to go for so long and take so many wickets.

Congrats on a great career.

21 years, 704 wickets. Never likely to be repeated. Take a bow, Sir Jimmy.

Bowlers to take 200+ Test wickets, ranked by wickets per Test:

Jimmy comes in at #36

ranking by average or economy rate would likely be better

From Cricket Stats Scholar on Facebook

FAREWELL TO AN OK BOWLER:
Jimmy Anderson was forced to retire (dropped).
Let's look at his moderate career.
Don't forget, for whatever biases you have, these are pure number facts, and they don't care about your "I've had 8 pints and I don't rate McGrath like I should" theories...
Strap in, this may sting a little...
---
VS. AUS - THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT AND DEFINING STAT OF ANY ENGLISH PLAYER:
* Overall: 39 Tests (72 inn) - 117 wkts @ 36.0 - Econ 2.93, SR 73, 5 x 5wi, 1 x 10wm
Comment: that's dogshit...
* At home: 18 Tests (33 inn) - 49 wkts @ 38.7 - Econ 3.11, SR 75, 4 x 5wi, 1 x 10wm
Comment: that's also dogshit...
* Away: 21 Tests (39 inn) - 68 wkts @ 34.0 - Econ 2.80, SR 73, 1 x 5wi
Comment: that's overall dogshit...
---
OK, SO THAT DEFINING ARC FARED POORLY FOR HIM, WHAT ELSE? HOW DO WE GASLIGHT OUR AUDIENCE?
* Home: 106 Tests (201 inn) - 435 wkts @ 24.5 - Econ 2.80, SR 52, 24 x 5wi, 3 x 10wm
* Away: 76 Tests (136 inn) - 244 wkts @ 30.7 - Econ 2.83, SR 65, 8 x 5wi
Comment: OK, so as soon as the plane leaves English shores to play a nation in their home land he bowls at 31. Your "great"... Got it...Hey Jamie, can we pull up what Curtly or McGrath bowled at away from home? Thanks...
* Netural: 6 Tests (12 inn) - 22 wkts @ 20.5 - Econ 2.09, SR 59, Best 4/17
Comment: Easily my favourite Anderson stat. This is against Pakistan, in UAE, as a (slow) pace bowler. This is excellent, no two ways, very impressed and proud...
---
OH, YEAH, BUT LATEST AND FULLEST!
Bollocks...
* Last 8 Tests (15 inn) - 15 wkts @ 50.8 - Econ 2.89, SR 106, Best 3/47
Comment: Wow, amazing!
---
OH, YEAH, BUT LATEST AND FULLEST AT HOME!!!
* Last 4 Tests (8 inn) - 5 wkts @ 85.4 - Econ 2.77, SR 185, Best 1/51
Comment: That's the worst stat yet, what next?
---
THE LAST 2 YEARS:
* 2023 - 6 Tests (12 inn) - 15 wkts @ 39.7 - Econ 2.72, SR 87, Best 4/18
* 2024 - 4 Tests (7 inn) - 10 wkts @ 33.5 - Econ 3.04, SR 66, Best 3/47
Comment: SR Watson had better bowling averages...Both are awful.
---
B-B-B-BUT I'M BOWLING AT MY BEST EVER?!
Yeah, exactly, and it's still mid af, and you're getting worse.
---
FAREWELL, JIM.
Hardly knew ye, I grew up with McGrath, Ambrose, Akram, Younis, Akhtar, Gough, Hadlee, Donald, Steyn, actual good bowlers.
You'll have to forgive me for not giving a shit about your forgettable career.
Yeah, you stuck around for ages.
So did lupus and the bubonic plague, neither of them are well heralded or well received.
An average bowler who had extraordinary staying power in a setup that valued omnipotence over capability.
Despite your lengthy career, you'll be forgotten by English crowds the second someone actually good and interesting arrives.
And you've already been forgotten by the rest.
Don't let the door hit you on your 124km/h, bowling at 85.4 of late at home arse.
Cheers.
Love,
CSS.

I wonder who CSS is? Harsh.

Perhaps it’s Darren Gough himself. Very good bowler, but who else would have slipped that name in that list

McGrath, Ambrose, Akram, Younis, Akhtar, Gough, Hadlee, Donald, Steyn,

Guess the odd man out.

Well, if can’t be Red, given Steyn’s presence on the list.

Why would anyone mention Akhtar, though? B-Grade. Another pretender …

The author cannot be ‘our’ very own Pakistani pace fan though; or it’d have been Wasim, Waqar, and Shoaib on the list rather than Akram, Younis, and Akhtar. So who?

Whoever it is is sufficiently intelligent NOT to include Brett Lee. That eliminates most of the departed Indian posters. Gough’s inclusion makes me suspect one of our departed or hibernating English FB brethren. Lever, or the more overt warden before his apparent abdication. Insufficiently profane to be Danny!!

embee wrote:From Cricket Stats Scholar on Facebook

FAREWELL TO AN OK BOWLER:
Jimmy Anderson was forced to retire (dropped).
Let's look at his moderate career.
Don't forget, for whatever biases you have, these are pure number facts, and they don't care about your "I've had 8 pints and I don't rate McGrath like I should" theories...
Strap in, this may sting a little...
---
VS. AUS - THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT AND DEFINING STAT OF ANY ENGLISH PLAYER:
* Overall: 39 Tests (72 inn) - 117 wkts @ 36.0 - Econ 2.93, SR 73, 5 x 5wi, 1 x 10wm
Comment: that's dogshit...
* At home: 18 Tests (33 inn) - 49 wkts @ 38.7 - Econ 3.11, SR 75, 4 x 5wi, 1 x 10wm
Comment: that's also dogshit...
* Away: 21 Tests (39 inn) - 68 wkts @ 34.0 - Econ 2.80, SR 73, 1 x 5wi
Comment: that's overall dogshit...
---
OK, SO THAT DEFINING ARC FARED POORLY FOR HIM, WHAT ELSE? HOW DO WE GASLIGHT OUR AUDIENCE?
* Home: 106 Tests (201 inn) - 435 wkts @ 24.5 - Econ 2.80, SR 52, 24 x 5wi, 3 x 10wm
* Away: 76 Tests (136 inn) - 244 wkts @ 30.7 - Econ 2.83, SR 65, 8 x 5wi
Comment: OK, so as soon as the plane leaves English shores to play a nation in their home land he bowls at 31. Your "great"... Got it...Hey Jamie, can we pull up what Curtly or McGrath bowled at away from home? Thanks...
* Netural: 6 Tests (12 inn) - 22 wkts @ 20.5 - Econ 2.09, SR 59, Best 4/17
Comment: Easily my favourite Anderson stat. This is against Pakistan, in UAE, as a (slow) pace bowler. This is excellent, no two ways, very impressed and proud...
---
OH, YEAH, BUT LATEST AND FULLEST!
Bollocks...
* Last 8 Tests (15 inn) - 15 wkts @ 50.8 - Econ 2.89, SR 106, Best 3/47
Comment: Wow, amazing!
---
OH, YEAH, BUT LATEST AND FULLEST AT HOME!!!
* Last 4 Tests (8 inn) - 5 wkts @ 85.4 - Econ 2.77, SR 185, Best 1/51
Comment: That's the worst stat yet, what next?
---
THE LAST 2 YEARS:
* 2023 - 6 Tests (12 inn) - 15 wkts @ 39.7 - Econ 2.72, SR 87, Best 4/18
* 2024 - 4 Tests (7 inn) - 10 wkts @ 33.5 - Econ 3.04, SR 66, Best 3/47
Comment: SR Watson had better bowling averages...Both are awful.
---
B-B-B-BUT I'M BOWLING AT MY BEST EVER?!
Yeah, exactly, and it's still mid af, and you're getting worse.
---
FAREWELL, JIM.
Hardly knew ye, I grew up with McGrath, Ambrose, Akram, Younis, Akhtar, Gough, Hadlee, Donald, Steyn, actual good bowlers.
You'll have to forgive me for not giving a shit about your forgettable career.
Yeah, you stuck around for ages.
So did lupus and the bubonic plague, neither of them are well heralded or well received.
An average bowler who had extraordinary staying power in a setup that valued omnipotence over capability.
Despite your lengthy career, you'll be forgotten by English crowds the second someone actually good and interesting arrives.
And you've already been forgotten by the rest.
Don't let the door hit you on your 124km/h, bowling at 85.4 of late at home arse.
Cheers.
Love,
CSS.

WOW, that's one hell of a bitter and twisted post from, quite clearly, a bitter and twisted poster.
Clearly you're still crying over the fact that your over-rated hero McGrath was overtaken in the wickets column by Jimmeh!
Stop the sulking dude. If Anderson was so bad against everyone he wouldn't have the record he does. Wake up ffs.
Strange how the world's best players, now and in years gone by, almost to a man rate Jimmy as a fantastic bowler. Huh? But of course you, embee, know it all, abusive and ignorant embee knows best.
Pipe down pal, you sound like a past it, old lout who's misplaced his slippers.
Embee, you're a tool.

Oh and embee, whilst you are trying to find the slightest reason to criticise James, i think you may find that James took less wickets the day after a full moon than that strutting, sour faced, misery McGrath, so add that in too.
You've never played the game at a decent level. Your acidy diatribe is pathetic.
Over 700 wickets. HAVE IT! LMFAO.

Well, if you read the introduction to the post, it wasn't MB's opinion. It was that of Facebook poster Cricket Stats scholar.

Thanks for the character assessment from the mad dog ....some of it is spot on

PS Ive never owned slippers ....does that count as misplacing them

PPS as a wozzie I probably put DKL ahead of Pigeon ( and with all that exposed chest hair Fot may have been a werewolf so would have been pretty fearsome around a full moon )

PPPS my in laws are from Burnley so actually like Jimmeh

PPPPS what skully said

Since embee is apparently a stats geek, (among other things, ahem), here's a few i've found to balance things up a bit.
2 players here, 1 the Aussies love to hate and the other is their ''wonderfully behaved'' icon. Who really WAS best. Let's see shall we?
One has 92 MORE test wickets. AT a better economy rate. AT a better strike rate. AT a better average. FROM lest matches. WITH better best figures in innings and match. WITH almost DOUBLE (!) the five-fers. OVER double the ten-fers. Proof indeed.
All that done whilst having to face the Australian batsmen of his day, a time they dominated test cricket often. Something Warne didn't have to do, he faced the weak Sri Lankans instead.

Murali was the best spinner ever to play the game on every stat you can find and the chucking accusations are and always were sour grapes. Anyone who actually bothered to look into it further than the left wing Aussie press and fanboys can see that his arm was made differently to 99.999% of the world's people and gave him a natural advantage in turning the ball. It was nothing to do with 'chucking'.

So old fella, stats don't always tell you want you want to hear. Anderson IS the greatest pace bowler because the records say so and Murali was the greatest spinner. Again. Anderson had to face the Aussies and McGrath didn't. 700+. GET IN! :-)

Your bait smells

Manky doesn’t even begin to describe it.

What the flying hell does calling Murali a chucker have to do with left wing or right wing?

Nothing. You are looking for logic - indeed any form of coherent argument - in the wrong place.

embee wrote:From Cricket Stats Scholar on Facebook

FAREWELL TO AN OK BOWLER:
Jimmy Anderson was forced to retire (dropped).
Let's look at his moderate career.
Don't forget, for whatever biases you have, these are pure number facts, and they don't care about your "I've had 8 pints and I don't rate McGrath like I should" theories...
Strap in, this may sting a little...
---
VS. AUS - THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT AND DEFINING STAT OF ANY ENGLISH PLAYER:
* Overall: 39 Tests (72 inn) - 117 wkts @ 36.0 - Econ 2.93, SR 73, 5 x 5wi, 1 x 10wm
Comment: that's dogshit...
* At home: 18 Tests (33 inn) - 49 wkts @ 38.7 - Econ 3.11, SR 75, 4 x 5wi, 1 x 10wm
Comment: that's also dogshit...
* Away: 21 Tests (39 inn) - 68 wkts @ 34.0 - Econ 2.80, SR 73, 1 x 5wi
Comment: that's overall dogshit...
---
OK, SO THAT DEFINING ARC FARED POORLY FOR HIM, WHAT ELSE? HOW DO WE GASLIGHT OUR AUDIENCE?
* Home: 106 Tests (201 inn) - 435 wkts @ 24.5 - Econ 2.80, SR 52, 24 x 5wi, 3 x 10wm
* Away: 76 Tests (136 inn) - 244 wkts @ 30.7 - Econ 2.83, SR 65, 8 x 5wi
Comment: OK, so as soon as the plane leaves English shores to play a nation in their home land he bowls at 31. Your "great"... Got it...Hey Jamie, can we pull up what Curtly or McGrath bowled at away from home? Thanks...
* Netural: 6 Tests (12 inn) - 22 wkts @ 20.5 - Econ 2.09, SR 59, Best 4/17
Comment: Easily my favourite Anderson stat. This is against Pakistan, in UAE, as a (slow) pace bowler. This is excellent, no two ways, very impressed and proud...
---
OH, YEAH, BUT LATEST AND FULLEST!
Bollocks...
* Last 8 Tests (15 inn) - 15 wkts @ 50.8 - Econ 2.89, SR 106, Best 3/47
Comment: Wow, amazing!
---
OH, YEAH, BUT LATEST AND FULLEST AT HOME!!!
* Last 4 Tests (8 inn) - 5 wkts @ 85.4 - Econ 2.77, SR 185, Best 1/51
Comment: That's the worst stat yet, what next?
---
THE LAST 2 YEARS:
* 2023 - 6 Tests (12 inn) - 15 wkts @ 39.7 - Econ 2.72, SR 87, Best 4/18
* 2024 - 4 Tests (7 inn) - 10 wkts @ 33.5 - Econ 3.04, SR 66, Best 3/47
Comment: SR Watson had better bowling averages...Both are awful.
---
B-B-B-BUT I'M BOWLING AT MY BEST EVER?!
Yeah, exactly, and it's still mid af, and you're getting worse.
---
FAREWELL, JIM.
Hardly knew ye, I grew up with McGrath, Ambrose, Akram, Younis, Akhtar, Gough, Hadlee, Donald, Steyn, actual good bowlers.
You'll have to forgive me for not giving a shit about your forgettable career.
Yeah, you stuck around for ages.
So did lupus and the bubonic plague, neither of them are well heralded or well received.
An average bowler who had extraordinary staying power in a setup that valued omnipotence over capability.
Despite your lengthy career, you'll be forgotten by English crowds the second someone actually good and interesting arrives.
And you've already been forgotten by the rest.
Don't let the door hit you on your 124km/h, bowling at 85.4 of late at home arse.
Cheers.
Love,
CSS.

Who is this twat?

For the record, 250 overseas wickets.

The best of his kind ever to play for England by a country mile.

He wasn't 'dogshit'.

Neither was he 'the best of his kind ever to play for England'. Snow and Willis were better. So were Botham, sometimes, and Flintoff, occasionally. Broad and Gough were on the same mark.

I realise I've just opened myself up to the SBM mass-debating technique known as 'Mockingbirding', the routine where the respondent produces examples to illustrate his argument, examples which never quite match the never quite set-in-stone definitions of the proposer. When the respondent realises he's being wound up and stops playing, the proposer claims victory, calling out the respondent for either 'sulking' or 'flouncing'.

Henry was a master at this. Johnnie Ronnie Leonard the Mad Brad Dog Boy will never be because you see/hear/smell him coming too easily.

Basil wrote:

embee wrote:From Cricket Stats Scholar on Facebook

FAREWELL TO AN OK BOWLER:
Jimmy Anderson was forced to retire (dropped).
Let's look at his moderate career.
Don't forget, for whatever biases you have, these are pure number facts, and they don't care about your "I've had 8 pints and I don't rate McGrath like I should" theories...
Strap in, this may sting a little...
---
VS. AUS - THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT AND DEFINING STAT OF ANY ENGLISH PLAYER:
* Overall: 39 Tests (72 inn) - 117 wkts @ 36.0 - Econ 2.93, SR 73, 5 x 5wi, 1 x 10wm
Comment: that's dogshit...
* At home: 18 Tests (33 inn) - 49 wkts @ 38.7 - Econ 3.11, SR 75, 4 x 5wi, 1 x 10wm
Comment: that's also dogshit...
* Away: 21 Tests (39 inn) - 68 wkts @ 34.0 - Econ 2.80, SR 73, 1 x 5wi
Comment: that's overall dogshit...
---
OK, SO THAT DEFINING ARC FARED POORLY FOR HIM, WHAT ELSE? HOW DO WE GASLIGHT OUR AUDIENCE?
* Home: 106 Tests (201 inn) - 435 wkts @ 24.5 - Econ 2.80, SR 52, 24 x 5wi, 3 x 10wm
* Away: 76 Tests (136 inn) - 244 wkts @ 30.7 - Econ 2.83, SR 65, 8 x 5wi
Comment: OK, so as soon as the plane leaves English shores to play a nation in their home land he bowls at 31. Your "great"... Got it...Hey Jamie, can we pull up what Curtly or McGrath bowled at away from home? Thanks...
* Netural: 6 Tests (12 inn) - 22 wkts @ 20.5 - Econ 2.09, SR 59, Best 4/17
Comment: Easily my favourite Anderson stat. This is against Pakistan, in UAE, as a (slow) pace bowler. This is excellent, no two ways, very impressed and proud...
---
OH, YEAH, BUT LATEST AND FULLEST!
Bollocks...
* Last 8 Tests (15 inn) - 15 wkts @ 50.8 - Econ 2.89, SR 106, Best 3/47
Comment: Wow, amazing!
---
OH, YEAH, BUT LATEST AND FULLEST AT HOME!!!
* Last 4 Tests (8 inn) - 5 wkts @ 85.4 - Econ 2.77, SR 185, Best 1/51
Comment: That's the worst stat yet, what next?
---
THE LAST 2 YEARS:
* 2023 - 6 Tests (12 inn) - 15 wkts @ 39.7 - Econ 2.72, SR 87, Best 4/18
* 2024 - 4 Tests (7 inn) - 10 wkts @ 33.5 - Econ 3.04, SR 66, Best 3/47
Comment: SR Watson had better bowling averages...Both are awful.
---
B-B-B-BUT I'M BOWLING AT MY BEST EVER?!
Yeah, exactly, and it's still mid af, and you're getting worse.
---
FAREWELL, JIM.
Hardly knew ye, I grew up with McGrath, Ambrose, Akram, Younis, Akhtar, Gough, Hadlee, Donald, Steyn, actual good bowlers.
You'll have to forgive me for not giving a shit about your forgettable career.
Yeah, you stuck around for ages.
So did lupus and the bubonic plague, neither of them are well heralded or well received.
An average bowler who had extraordinary staying power in a setup that valued omnipotence over capability.
Despite your lengthy career, you'll be forgotten by English crowds the second someone actually good and interesting arrives.
And you've already been forgotten by the rest.
Don't let the door hit you on your 124km/h, bowling at 85.4 of late at home arse.
Cheers.
Love,
CSS.

Who is this twat?

For the record, 250 overseas wickets.  

The best of his kind ever to play for England by a country mile.

We don’t know who it is. A stirrer on a stirring site. He’s over called Jimmy as hopeless, almost as much as those who overcall him as ‘the best ever of his type’.

Welcome back.

Note to self: Find Cricket Stats Scholar on FB, and follow him/her.

Oh dear, nothing like seeing some Convicts sook, whinge and squirm whilst throwing their toys out of the pram.
Here's a stat for you numbers geeks. Broady 604. Sooky 563. Another English bowler who did better than McGrath despite the latter never having to bowl against the Aussies who were the best for quite a while during his career.
Having probably bothered to read about 20 threads on this forum it's pretty clear why it's gone from where it was to a bunch of secular, arrogant, 'we know best' saddo left wing losers, all likely over 60 years of age and miserable.
I discount in that the seemingly 2 or 3 decent people here and to them i say 'all the best'. But you're surrounded by what i am sure are a bunch of abusive sad old gits.

Good. Hate to see the door handle get jammed in your arse when you bugger off ...but you've done this wank so many times before that shouldn't happen. See you next time Johnny/Ronny/Donny/Lenny/Loony

He should have scored more runs. I mean 265 innings, youd think he'd work it out. Still better bat than mcgrath.