Is this the best domestic team of all?

lardbucket wrote:

embee wrote:Where's Nashy?

In the 8ths, with MacGill

What about Richard Chee Quee?

Ponsford Lawry Langer Harvey Martyn Miller Marsh Warne Spofforth* Lillee Grimmett*

* if not 'allowed', despite their early games for Victoria, Ted McDonald and Bert Ironmonger.

12th Sheahan

lardbucket wrote:

taipan wrote:The best domestic team of one time is undoubtedly the Transvaal Mean machine of the early 80's

Maybe, but would an all-time Transvaal team compete with an all-time NSW, Barbados, or Yorkshire team?

Probably but talking of a team at a specific point in time.

Nath wrote:

lardbucket wrote:

embee wrote:Where's Nashy?

In the 8ths, with MacGill

What about Richard Chee Quee?

Now you're just making names up.

taipan wrote:

lardbucket wrote:

taipan wrote:The best domestic team of one time is undoubtedly the Transvaal Mean machine of the early 80's

Maybe, but would an all-time Transvaal team compete with an all-time NSW, Barbados, or Yorkshire team?

Probably but talking of a team at a specific point in time.

In which case only teams including Bradman or Sobers, or the Surrey team that won all those CCs, is likely to compete with the team you mention.

lardbucket wrote:

taipan wrote:

lardbucket wrote:

taipan wrote:The best domestic team of one time is undoubtedly the Transvaal Mean machine of the early 80's

Maybe, but would an all-time Transvaal team compete with an all-time NSW, Barbados, or Yorkshire team?

Probably but talking of a team at a specific point in time.

In which case only teams including Bradman or Sobers, or the Surrey team that won all those CCs, is likely to compete with the team you mention.

So you know the team I am talking about.

not really ... they were unbeatable for several years is all I know.

lardbucket wrote:not really ... they were unbeatable for several years is all I know.

Would have looked something like this

H Fotheringham
J Cook
A Kallikcharan
G Pollock
K McKenzie
C Rice
A Kourie
H Page
R Jennings
S Clarke
V van der Bijl

formidable side ...

I don't know much about Page at all. I know Kourie was a big hitter, but am not familiar with his overall performance. Otherwise, great side, batting and bowling very strong.

A go at a combined Vix-WA team:

Ponny
Lawry
Langer
Hassett
Harvey
Armstrong
Miller
Marsh (k)
Warne
Lillee
Reid


Pretty bloody good actually.

lardbucket wrote:formidable side ...

I don't know much about Page at all. I know Kourie was a big hitter, but am not familiar with his overall performance. Otherwise, great side, batting and bowling very strong.

Unfortunately some of them were not seen much outside of SA. Page was genuinely quirk when he first appeared. Kourie was SLA and a bit of a crab when batting despite being a baseball Springbok

Hugh Trumble might get a game for that combined side, especially if Grimmett is disallowed.

I'd prefer Hassett to Martyn.

But surely, even leaving Bradman out of it, each NSW side listed above is stronger?

Without Bradman, I don't think so, Peter.

Lillee and Warne is a formidable basis for an attack.

btw you could probably have Spofforth or Thomson over Lawson ...

JGK wrote:A go at a combined Vix-WA team:

Ponny
Lawry
Langer
Hassett
Harvey
Armstrong
Miller
Marsh (k)
Warne
Lillee
Reid


Pretty bloody good actually.

agree...but would consider Redpath and Cowper and even kim hughes or paris ahead of langer

Good call re Hussey, horrie.

I dunno, lardy. I've never been convinced that Warne is better than Tiger, and I'd say that even if Lillee is better than any one of McGrath, Davidson, or Lindwall [which is not necessarily so, i'd say, especially taking into account batting and fielding] then the remainder of the combined side's pace attack is is outpointed by the other two NSW candidates.

Also, a second Vic/WA side would struggle to come close to the first eleven, wouldn't you admit? Whereas, for NSW, it's pretty close, Bradman apart.

lardbucket wrote:Good call re Hussey, horrie.

not even a suck to the absent zimbalista

peterg wrote:I dunno, lardy. I've never been convinced that Warne is better than Tiger, and I'd say that even if Lillee is better than any one of McGrath, Davidson, or Lindwall [which is not necessarily so, i'd say, especially taking into account batting and fielding] then the remainder of the combined side's pace attack is is outpointed by the other two NSW candidates.

I think Miller + Lillee + Warne + McDonald or Reid + Grimmett or Ironmonger would be a very good test of your NSW first line attack, as stern an examination as the NSW attack could provide. I rate this side closer to the NSW side than you do, obviously ... but Bradman would always tip the balance.

peterg wrote:Also, a second Vic/WA side would struggle to come close to the first eleven, wouldn't you admit? Whereas, for NSW, it's pretty close, Bradman apart.

Yes, no argument there.

dunno...need to do a good trawl...where is woodful in all this...blackham, johnson

its odd just remembered i always considered Redpath to be the inheritor of the brian booth (mr reliable) mantle...aah good times

lardy,

I think with all the bowlers you mentioned there might be a case that the combined side would stack up in bowling [batting,I'd say, is another matter, even excusing Bradman]

However, to be inconveniently pedantic, you can't have Ted McDonald who, as I'm sure you're proud to acknowledge, made his debut for Tasmania. Nor can you have Grimmett, who began his FC career for wellington. And even if Grimmett is allowed, he'd want the same end as Warne

So - even if for arguments sake we assume that Lillee plus Warne equals McGrath plus O'Reilly, then:

There's little doubt that Lindwall, day in and day out, was a finer bowler than Miller, and Davidson I'd say comfortably outpoints Reid, who could well break down in any case.
Bill Johnston might be the better choice, but noone seriously argues that he was better than Davo.

horace"][quote="JGK wrote:A go at a combined Vix-WA team:

Ponny
Lawry
Langer
Hassett
Harvey
Armstrong
Miller
Marsh (k)
Warne
Lillee
Reid


Pretty bloody good actually.

agree...but would consider Redpath and Cowper and even kim hughes or paris ahead of langer[/quote]


NLWL was in there as a sort of Wozzie batsman affirmative action.

I based my McDonald and Grimmett selections on the FC team they were representing when first called up to the Test side ...

Does that mean Gilly is the keeper?

Difficult choice, if allowed.

Tasmania and Wellington (NZ) weren't FC teams when McDonald and Grimmett played for them, Wellington still isn't. Maybe that makes things clearer.

hold the phone, I've had Zimmy's combined Vic-WA eleven phoned in. It is much as you would expect ...


Swampy (c)
NLWL
Kimbo
Marto
[token Vic]
[token Vic]
Marsh
Warne
Garth
DKL
Clem