Flaming Bails
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

How can umpring standards be improved?

+17
JKLever
holcs
Brass Monkey
lardbucket
leg glancer
horace
taipan
embee
Invader Zim
skully
doremi
JGK
tac
PearlJ
Fred Nerk
Henry
Zat
21 posters

Page 1 of 4 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Zat Tue 03 Jun 2008, 00:48

As promised in my post in the current Aus v WI Test thread a thread on ways to improve international umpiring standards.

I know there are some umpires who'll seemingly gun a batsman out on dubious evidence, while others seemingly won't even give the plumbest of lbws. And I've heard, even spouted forth myself with, the 'bad decisions even out n the end' theory. But realistically, the ICC has to look at a simple system with umpires.

Maybe removing the 'neutral umpires' requirement, ranking them publicly, and then allowing the competing sides to choose one each from the available list, would work. It would send a pretty clear message to the ICC if one of the blokes on the panel was consistently left on the sidelines. I know the system I've put forward isn't perfect, but really, something needs to be done. Even accepting that the 'challenges' system is set to be trialled soon, wouldn't it be better to have fewer occasions for it to be used?

Zat


Number of posts : 28872
Reputation : 86
Registration date : 2007-09-04
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Henry Tue 03 Jun 2008, 01:10

Shoot the lot of 'em.
Henry
Henry


Number of posts : 32891
Reputation : 100
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Fred Nerk Tue 03 Jun 2008, 01:23

Trev's idea wouldn't make things any worse.

Fred Nerk


Number of posts : 9008
Reputation : 40
Registration date : 2007-10-15
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by PearlJ Tue 03 Jun 2008, 01:26

The mentioned it on ABC today. Get rid of the oldies...... and put plenty more of the young guys in. It's no suprise that the 2 youngest umpires, Dar and Taufel are the 2 best.
PearlJ
PearlJ

How can umpring standards be improved? ZY4L4DZ

Number of posts : 3599
Age : 35
Reputation : 3
Registration date : 2007-09-05
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by tac Tue 03 Jun 2008, 02:25

Ban India!

And broaden the punishment for bringing the game into disrepute to include shiteful commentators what go on and on and farkin on about umpiring decisions . . . .


People need to rememeber that no one performs at their best when their abilities are constantly being questioned and confidence undermined . . .


Last edited by tac on Tue 03 Jun 2008, 02:28; edited 1 time in total
tac
tac


Number of posts : 19270
Reputation : 24
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : pon

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by PearlJ Tue 03 Jun 2008, 02:26

tac wrote:Ban India!

That seems to be the solution to a lot of problems.....
PearlJ
PearlJ

How can umpring standards be improved? ZY4L4DZ

Number of posts : 3599
Age : 35
Reputation : 3
Registration date : 2007-09-05
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by JGK Tue 03 Jun 2008, 03:42

Are there any umpires from India on the elite panel?

JGK


Number of posts : 41790
Reputation : 161
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : jnt

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by doremi Tue 03 Jun 2008, 04:27

Make them watch Ashoka deSilva videos. They should have a pretty good idea what not to do as umpires then.
doremi
doremi


Number of posts : 9743
Age : 36
Reputation : 31
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : ind

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Henry Tue 03 Jun 2008, 05:34

As has been mentioned, get rid of all the old fogies. Bucknor is far too old, as is Koertzen. Pretty much all of the elite panel umpires are in their 50's (Bucknor and Koertzen are in their 60's). It's no coincidence that the younger umpires are also the better one's, and it's a fact that the senses of a 60 year old are inferior to those of a 35 year old. In what other sport is there umpires that are well over 50? Lawn bowls?

Make 55 the age limit for international umpires, increase their pay, but make the consequences of their mistakes more severe.
Henry
Henry


Number of posts : 32891
Reputation : 100
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by skully Tue 03 Jun 2008, 05:36

tac wrote:And broaden the punishment for bringing the game into disrepute to include shiteful commentators what go on and on and farkin on about umpiring decisions . . . .
Can I nominate Mikey Holding (whenever the Windies are playing - I actually think he's WIFAN), Ravi Shastri and Tony Grieg for this category.
skully
skully


Number of posts : 106779
Age : 113
Reputation : 247
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : baggy

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Henry Tue 03 Jun 2008, 05:41

A poor umpiring decision is a poor umpiring decision. What are they meant to do? Ignore it?
Henry
Henry


Number of posts : 32891
Reputation : 100
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Invader Zim Tue 03 Jun 2008, 05:58

Henry wrote:A poor umpiring decision is a poor umpiring decision. What are they meant to do? Ignore it?
Refer to my signature.
Invader Zim
Invader Zim


Number of posts : 6396
Reputation : 51
Registration date : 2007-09-04
Flag/Background : none

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by skully Tue 03 Jun 2008, 06:00

Bwahahaha. Whining about it incessantly just p!sses the listeners off. Just like your incessant whining does to people on this forum.

India sooked until the cows came home about umpiring and absolutely disgracefully got an international umpire removed from a Test appointment prior to a Test by threatening to go home. And what do we ultimately get? Russell Tiffin added back on the panel. Well played India.


Last edited by skully on Tue 03 Jun 2008, 06:09; edited 1 time in total
skully
skully


Number of posts : 106779
Age : 113
Reputation : 247
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : baggy

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Henry Tue 03 Jun 2008, 06:05

India sooked until the cows came home about umpiring and absolutely disgracefully got an international umpire removed from a Test appointment prior to a Test by threatening to go home. And what do we ultimately get? Russell Tiffin added back on the panel. Well played India.

Bucknor is still on the elite panel, so how did India cause Tiffin to be called up? And lets not get back into this argument, but Bucknor had been robbing India for years. I'd like to see how the Aussies and their fans would have reacted if they received the same amount of bad decisions as their opponents do.
Henry
Henry


Number of posts : 32891
Reputation : 100
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by embee Tue 03 Jun 2008, 06:09

Put Trev on the elite panel ...being so young and with a knowledge of everything he must be the best umpire in the world...
embee
embee


Number of posts : 26339
Age : 57
Reputation : 263
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : aus

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by skully Tue 03 Jun 2008, 06:12

Henry wrote:
India sooked until the cows came home about umpiring and absolutely disgracefully got an international umpire removed from a Test appointment prior to a Test by threatening to go home. And what do we ultimately get? Russell Tiffin added back on the panel. Well played India.

Bucknor is still on the elite panel, so how did India cause Tiffin to be called up? And lets not get back into this argument, but Bucknor had been robbing India for years. I'd like to see how the Aussies and their fans would have reacted if they received the same amount of bad decisions as their opponents do.
Yes Trev.
skully
skully


Number of posts : 106779
Age : 113
Reputation : 247
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : baggy

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by embee Tue 03 Jun 2008, 06:39

Rod Tucker has been elevated to the International Panel as a TV umpire


MEDIA RELEASE

2 June 2008

Cricket Australia 2008-09 Umpire Panels announced

Cricket Australia (CA) today announced its 2008-09 Umpire Panels.

Steve Davis has been promoted from the CA International Panel to the expanded 12-man ICC Elite Panel (previously 10), joining fellow Australians Simon Taufel, Daryl Harper and Darrell Hair.

Davis’ promotion has resulted in Rodney Tucker becoming the first umpire to be elevated from CA’s Project Panel to the International Umpires Panel. The former New South Wales and Tasmania first-class cricketer has been nominated to the International Panel as a TV umpire and will also remain on CA’s National Umpires Panel.

There are three new faces on the 12-man National Umpires Panel, with Mick Martell (WA), Tony Ward (VIC) and Andrew Craig (WA) replacing Davis, Dave Orchard (QLD) and Tim Laycock (QLD).

Martell and Ward have progressed through the Cricket Australia umpiring pathway after officiating at the Emerging Players Tournament in Queensland last year. Martell was also cricket’s first Australia Sports Commission National Officiating Scholarship Program recipient.

While no longer on the National Umpires Panel, Laycock has been retained in CA’s umpire high performance pathway and will officiate at the Emerging Players’ Tournament in Queensland this year, the “gateway” program for umpires in the frame for selection to the national panel.

“Rodney Tucker’s nomination to the International Umpires Panel and the promotion of Mick Martell and Tony Ward to the national panel illustrates the successes of CA’s umpiring pathway,” Cricket Australia General Manager Cricket, Michael Brown, said.

“Steve Davis’ elevation to the ICC’s expanded Elite Panel is further evidence of Australia reputation for producing high-quality umpires.

“Cricket Australia’s umpires continue to lead the way in world cricket and we take great pride in their performances at first-class and international level.”

The selection and management of these the umpiring panels will be done under a new system next season managed by the Umpire High Performance Panel which is currently being formed.



The respective umpire panels are as follows:
ICC Elite Panel (contracted directly to ICC)
Steve DAVIS SA
Darrell HAIR NSW
Daryl HARPER SA
Simon TAUFEL NSW

International Umpires Panel (nominated by CA to the ICC)
Peter PARKER QLD
Bruce OXENFORD QLD
Rodney TUCKER NSW (TV Umpire)

National Umpires Panel (in alphabetical order)
Jeff BROOKES WA
Andrew CRAIG WA
Simon FRY SA
Ian LOCK WA
Mick MARTELL WA
Bruce OXENFORD QLD
Peter PARKER QLD
Bob PARRY VIC
Paul REIFFEL VIC
Rodney TUCKER NSW
John WARD VIC
Tony WARD VIC

Emerging Players Tournament
Gerard ABOOD NSW
Steven JOHN TAS
Geoff JOSHUA VIC
Tim LAYCOCK QLD
Norm McNAMARA QLD
Paul WILSON WA

Profiles for members of the National Umpires Panel can be found on the Cricket Australia website, www.cricket.com.au.
embee
embee


Number of posts : 26339
Age : 57
Reputation : 263
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : aus

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Henry Tue 03 Jun 2008, 07:09

Steve Davis’ elevation to the ICC’s expanded Elite Panel is further evidence of Australia's reputation for producing high-quality umpires.

Funniest thing i've heard all day.
Henry
Henry


Number of posts : 32891
Reputation : 100
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by JGK Tue 03 Jun 2008, 07:15

Interesting that Tucker is rated higher than Pistol.

JGK


Number of posts : 41790
Reputation : 161
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : jnt

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by embee Tue 03 Jun 2008, 07:15

dubber bias
embee
embee


Number of posts : 26339
Age : 57
Reputation : 263
Registration date : 2007-09-03
Flag/Background : aus

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Henry Tue 03 Jun 2008, 07:21

JGK wrote:Interesting that Tucker is rated higher than Pistol.

Reiffel always gives me the impression that Umpiring is just something he's doing to make a bit of cash and that he doesn't really want to be there.
Henry
Henry


Number of posts : 32891
Reputation : 100
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by taipan Tue 03 Jun 2008, 07:22

Henry wrote:
JGK wrote:Interesting that Tucker is rated higher than Pistol.

Reiffel always gives me the impression that Umpiring is just something he's doing to make a bit of cash and that he doesn't really want to be there.

Strange job he's got then.
taipan
taipan


Number of posts : 48416
Age : 123
Reputation : 115
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : saf

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by horace Tue 03 Jun 2008, 07:44

taipan wrote:
Henry wrote:
JGK wrote:Interesting that Tucker is rated higher than Pistol.

Reiffel always gives me the impression that Umpiring is just something he's doing to make a bit of cash and that he doesn't really want to be there.

Strange job he's got then.

that is classical mudge wind up...pistol possesses a laconic humour and is prone to self deprecatory comments of the sort that mudge could never appreciate...Have heard pistol talking about his love for the game, his appreciation of the opportunities he has received and that as an ex player he wants to put something back into it...

as an ump he does give the odd ashoka but I think he's pretty good and seems well regarded by the State teams
horace
horace


Number of posts : 42595
Age : 115
Reputation : 90
Registration date : 2007-09-06
Flag/Background : ire

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Zat Tue 03 Jun 2008, 09:46

embee wrote:Put Trev on the elite panel ...being so young and with a knowledge of everything he must be the best umpire in the world...
I reckon it'd have to be pretty difficult to umpire any sort of sport with your head up your own arse.

Zat


Number of posts : 28872
Reputation : 86
Registration date : 2007-09-04
Flag/Background : eng

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by taipan Tue 03 Jun 2008, 09:47

Zat wrote:
embee wrote:Put Trev on the elite panel ...being so young and with a knowledge of everything he must be the best umpire in the world...
I reckon it'd have to be pretty difficult to umpire any sort of sport with your head up your own arse.

Can I vote for Laura?
taipan
taipan


Number of posts : 48416
Age : 123
Reputation : 115
Registration date : 2007-08-31
Flag/Background : saf

Back to top Go down

How can umpring standards be improved? Empty Re: How can umpring standards be improved?

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 4 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum