Another Saffer pulls out for Kolpak reasons

Dillon du Preez follows on the heels of McLaren in rejecting an offer to play for his country. He doesn't want to compromise his Kolpak rights. Why doesn't England just set up an academy in SA and the two countries can eventually combine and field a Commonwealth team? It seems to me that the counties have more rights than the national team of South Africa.

How does it hurt their Kolpak rights exactly? Dale Benkenstein played a handful of ODI's for SA in the 90's, and he's Durham's Kolpak captain. Numerous other Saffie Kolpaks have played a few games for the national team, so how does it hirt their rights?

To play Kolpak you have to renounce playing for your country.

Let them go, we dont need them.

Pom money wrecking SA First Class cricket.

Ban England

Let them go, we dont need them.

Neither do we frankly, despite our lot having the likes of Henderson et al.

Kolpaks entry into the CC must now be strictly regulated - and it appears that the ECB
might finally begin to realize that fact.

Oh so county cricket is hurting SA cricket because of the money? That's probably worse than the IPL, yeah? Playing here doesn't stop you from playing for your country.

A domestic tournament interfering with internationals. Tut tut....

doremi wrote:Playing here doesn't stop you from playing for your country.

Unless you are Sri Lankan

doremi wrote:Oh so county cricket is hurting SA cricket because of the money? That's probably worse than the IPL, yeah? Playing here doesn't stop you from playing for your country.

A domestic tournament interfering with internationals. Tut tut....

County cricket has nothing to do with it. It's the law of the land old bean...

JKLever wrote:

doremi wrote:Oh so county cricket is hurting SA cricket because of the money? That's probably worse than the IPL, yeah? Playing here doesn't stop you from playing for your country.

A domestic tournament interfering with internationals. Tut tut....

County cricket has nothing to do with it. It's the law of the land old bean...

So who is paying the salaries?

Sure, they're employing the players to play cricket. It's not them stopping the player from playing for SA though.

You may as well ask... 'who is signing the contract in the first place'?

It's obviously the bigger bucks from county cricket which are attracting the players. Law of the land has SFA to do with that. And frankly, that's a heck of a lot more than things the IPL has been blamed for. Like Bangladeshi players leaving international cricket to play ICL, being disgruntled with their own board. Or the stupidity of NZ for misleading Bond and then banning him.

Shame. Just when you thought the higher moral ground was there, whooooooosh!

It's the counties who seduce the players with fat contracts because they can't fulfil their needs with local talent. I've been saying for years that there are too many counties and it's time that England for the sake of is own cricket reduces the number and aims to include more local products. With fewer counties the competition could still be intensely competitive without the need to entice players from rival countries. It's a worry when players from SA etc. are the cornerstone around which the team is built. It's hurting England and SA cricket and must dilute world cricket as a result.

doremi wrote:It's obviously the bigger bucks from county cricket which are attracting the players.

There are no 'bigger bucks' in county cricket... and the law of the land is the law of the land however much you don't like it, which is why the ECB couldn't kiss BCCI arse and ban players the BCCI didn't like for playing in ICL.

And unlike the BCCI which is treating world cricket like sh!t, at least the ECB have recognised there is a loophole and are doing something about it.

It's not as if it's really stopping these players playing for their country anyway, Paul Harris signed as a kolpak for Warks 2 years back and unless i'm much mistaken he's playing for SA now.

JKLever wrote:There are no 'bigger bucks' in county cricket...

So why are the players signing their international careers away?

taipan wrote:

JKLever wrote:There are no 'bigger bucks' in county cricket...

So why are the players signing their international careers away?

Did DuPreez & McLaren have international careers?

Did Paul Harris sign his career away?

Red wrote:It's the counties who seduce the players with fat contracts because they can't fulfil their needs with local talent. I've been saying for years that there are too many counties and it's time that England for the sake of is own cricket reduces the number and aims to include more local products. With fewer counties the competition could still be intensely competitive without the need to entice players from rival countries. It's a worry when players from SA etc. are the cornerstone around which the team is built. It's hurting England and SA cricket and must dilute world cricket as a result.

counties voting for their own demise? think not. the ecb does not have enough power to reorganise the game in the country. it will continue like it has till hell freezes over

JKLever wrote:

taipan wrote:

JKLever wrote:There are no 'bigger bucks' in county cricket...

So why are the players signing their international careers away?

Did DuPreez & McLaren have international careers?

Did Paul Harris sign his career away?

They had just both been called up

The One wrote:

Red wrote:It's the counties who seduce the players with fat contracts because they can't fulfil their needs with local talent. I've been saying for years that there are too many counties and it's time that England for the sake of is own cricket reduces the number and aims to include more local products. With fewer counties the competition could still be intensely competitive without the need to entice players from rival countries. It's a worry when players from SA etc. are the cornerstone around which the team is built. It's hurting England and SA cricket and must dilute world cricket as a result.

counties voting for their own demise? think not. the ecb does not have enough power to reorganise the game in the country. it will continue like it has till hell freezes over

It's time then they forgot about petty squabbling and silly little rivalries for the greater good of the game.

McLaren and co. may not become international stars of the game but the reality is their country wanted to pick them and couldn't because a petty little county as right of refusal.

I do think Kent should have released McLaren - if they refused to do so (even though within their rights) then they are as big a bunch of Qunts as the BCCI, without doubt.

If its just the case that they both wanted the wonga above representing their country then its a loophole that is thankfully going to be closed.

Previously there was nothing the ECB could do about it, or they would be in danger of breaking the law.

The One wrote:

counties voting for their own demise? think not. the ecb does not have enough power to reorganise the game in the country. it will continue like it has till hell freezes over

I think you'll find that the ECB operates in a democracy, avoiding, where possible, the flagrancies of coercion and corruption as witnessed
within a certain Cricket Board which boasts political "influence" and links to some extremely wealthy individuals.
By which of course, I don't mean Delhi bookmakers !

Hope that answers your question.

merlin - making no sense at all as usual

Um, hold up a second. So, there're EU legislations in place that prevent the restraint of 'trade' from any countries in a trade pact with any countries within the EU, the ECB have put in place the best measures they can to ensure the counties don't choose Kolpaks and their hands are basically tied and that makes the ECB tantamount to the BCCI? Facetious and risable to say the very, very least.

The One wrote:merlin - making no sense at all as usual

I suggest you first surgically remove your ingrained BCCI mind-set ... then read thoroughly Brass Monkeys post above ...
thereafter study carefully the measures the ECB have in place, given all the legislation and EU red tape they have to deal with.
Then take a straw poll of the majority of Counties feelings about Kolpaks. They use them because they're readily available - as decreed by law!

They ain't much the ECB, but at least they aren't racked with bribery and corruption and tinged with serious political
influences being brought to bear as some cricket boards I can think of.

Clean up the BCCI's act before you start lambasting the ECB's and hell freezing over - then perhaps you might, just might find
yourself in a better position to comment about "making sense"

TBH I think a comparison can be drawn here between the counties and the IPL.