Fidel Edwards and J Taylor!

I reckon both these guys are among the top 5 fast bowlers in the world.

What's your definition of a fast bowler?

these days unfortunately any one who is faster than Afridi(Afridi himself once clocked at 86 mph)

Both these guys are better than the following

Clark
Lee
Ntini
Johnson
ALL the kiwis
ALL the S Lankans


Pakistani trio of Asif, Gul and Akhtar doesn't even count because they don't play cricket.

Only bowlers who are ON par or better are

ZAK
I Sharma
Steyn
and....thats about it.

Flintoff is close though.

Steyn
Johnson
Flintoff


Shoaib
Sharma
Zaheer
Sidebottom
Lee
Clark
Ntini
Morkel
Malinga
Mo Asif
Bond
Siddle

O'Brien seems to be coming along OK

Even as a West Indian I would have to disagree. Particularly in Edwards' case. He averages 38 in test cricket.

kkf wrote:Even as a West Indian I would have to disagree. Particularly in Edwards' case. He averages 38 in test cricket.

i am talking about the recent performances.

embee wrote:Steyn
Johnson
Flintoff


Shoaib
Sharma
Zaheer
Sidebottom
Lee
Clark
Ntini
Morkel
Malinga
Mo Asif
Bond
Siddle

yaar how the heck is Johnson better than ZAK?

There is a lot more to bowling than just pace

PlanetPakistan wrote:I reckon both these guys are among the top 5 fast bowlers in the world.

Are these they guys that just conceded 9 for nearly 600?

embee wrote:Steyn
Johnson
Flintoff

Err, Johnson isn't fit to lace up the boots of the other two.

IMHO Taylor is awesome. He is rated 6th in the World at the moment and is bowling incredibly well.

Fidel is awesome on his day, but not often enough. Having said that, he was awesome today and is a very unlucky bowler.

JGK wrote:

PlanetPakistan wrote:I reckon both these guys are among the top 5 fast bowlers in the world.

Are these they guys that just conceded 9 for nearly 600?

they also bowled out a team for 51

Well you were the one talking about recent performances...

Henry wrote:

embee wrote:Steyn
Johnson
Flintoff

Err, Johnson isn't fit to lace up the boots of the other two.

Indeed. Not to forget some other bowlers.

PlanetPakistan wrote:
yaar how the heck is Johnson better than ZAK?

There is a lot more to bowling than just pace

ICC rankings (Current and all time)

Test Stats over the last 12 months

Career Test averages

embee wrote:

PlanetPakistan wrote:
yaar how the heck is Johnson better than ZAK?

There is a lot more to bowling than just pace

ICC rankings (Current and all time)

Test Stats over the last 12 months

Career Test averages

lol thanks...

PlanetPakistan wrote:

embee wrote:

PlanetPakistan wrote:
yaar how the heck is Johnson better than ZAK?

There is a lot more to bowling than just pace

ICC rankings (Current and all time)

Test Stats over the last 12 months

Career Test averages

lol thanks...

Do you need more than that?

nah...i am good....

stats zindabad!

Zak has more bad gears than the Anderson Cycle ...bowled well against Oz in the last series so everyone seems to forget a lot of his shitness

Johnson , despite some glaring technical problems , has taken a lot of wickets in the last 12 months ...might be scary if he ever works out which way his wrist should point

Embee, putting Zak and Jimmy Anderson in the same sentence is borderline offensive to fast bowling.

I mean, I know they've had their "off" days, but Zak is immediately more talented than Jimmy farking Anderson.

Anderson might bowl some absolute beauts when he feels like it, but overall, Zak has gained a sense of consistency in recent years. He's learnt, I don't think Anderson has learnt AS MUCH as Zak in the past 2 or 3 years.

Smerk ...what I meant by more gears was

Jimmy ....bad bad bad good bad bad bad good bad dropped good bad bad bad good bad bad dropped

Zak ...bad shit crap fantastic fantastic injured shit crap bad dropped fantastic ok injured good shit crap outstanding

embee wrote:Smerk ...what I meant by more gears was

Jimmy ....bad bad bad good bad bad bad good bad dropped good bad bad bad good bad bad dropped

Zak ...bad shit crap fantastic fantastic injured shit crap bad dropped fantastic ok injured good shit crap outstanding

Nice. Isn't it the way in Cricket for bowlers to go in cycles. Some are more illustrated than others. There are a few exceptions to the rule however.

These two bowl quite well together but they're quite a way from being Ambrose and Walsh though.

But I have to say that I am tired of constant references by Tony Cozier to the glory days of WI fast bowling and the 1980's and all that. I think he overdoes it.

Steyn
Flintoff
Sharma
Zaheer
Clark
Taylor
Morkel
Johnson
Edwards

Johnson is steady bowler with excellent stamina. That's just about it. His stock wicket taking ball is the short and wide ball. Going by some of the descriptions of Macgill's ability to take wickets off long-hops and full crap bowling, he's effectively the fast bowling equivalent.