Re: The EPL thread (I)

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Wikipedia - Lampard has been accused of scoring goals from deflections. However, a report from The Guardian newspaper shows that only six of his goals (6.7%) for Chelsea have been scored in that way.[17] As Martin Samuel of the Times sarcastically put it: "what a lucky boy he must be: 83 deflections since August 2003"[18]

Bloody hell! Quoting wikipedia for facts is pretty sketchy in the first place, when they're citing the guardian website for that you know you're in trouble!

And if that isn't bad enough its already a year out of date.

Do they have anything on there on who had most shots in the World Cup, and another of the leading goalscorers in the same tournament?

What's wrong with the Guardian website? Yeah. He must have scored all his goals since last year from deflections. That'll raise his percentage from 6% won't it. FFS.

Yes. He had a bad tournament. Maradona's had bad tournaments. Harping on about the 06 world cup is desperation of the highest order.

[Lara Lara Laughs]

No. I got stats from wiki. And those were from Guardian and Times articles.

Well, what do you think to Pat Fish?

I've never heard of him.

[JKLever]

Ok.

Technically he's ok, but nothing special. Not particularly fast.
And an ok passer of the ball.

Good player, but not world class.

My opinion.

Yet still manages to be one of the best midfielders in the world season in, season out with all those faults. Imagine what he'd be like if he was better in those areas!

As I said he's a good player. Thats not what we're talking about.

As for the Prem - it hides all sorts of technical problems in a players game. It's the worst of the top 4 Euro leagues for that. Most sides give the ball away far too easily so it's not a problem misplacing a pass as you'll get it back again 30 seconds later....

[Brass Monkey]

I've never heard of him.

Well, WIKI HIM!

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Ok.

Technically he's ok, but nothing special. Not particularly fast.
And an ok passer of the ball.

Good player, but not world class.

My opinion.

Yet still manages to be one of the best midfielders in the world season in, season out with all those faults. Imagine what he'd be like if he was better in those areas!

As I said he's a good player. Thats not what we're talking about.

As for the Prem - it hides all sorts of technical problems in a players game. It's the worst of the top 4 Euro leagues for that. Most sides give the ball away far too easily so it's not a problem misplacing a pass as you'll get it back again 30 seconds later....

Eh? So why don't other midfielders in the premiership score as many as him? Or play as well as him?

Eh? Why does he perform well in the champions league? Are his technical problems hidden there as well?

Eh? What's not what we're talking about?

Eh? Check out statistical analysis of Lampard's game. I think you'll find that he doesn't give the ball away often.

[Lara Lara Laughs]

I've never heard of him.

Well, WIKI HIM!

Member of "Jazz Butcher". I don't understand what this has to do with anything? What's going on? Where are we?

[Brass Monkey]

Member of "Jazz Butcher". I don't understand what this has to do with anything? What's going on? Where are we?

Not alot, just wondered if you hated him as much as me.

[JKLever]

Lamps is a good player LLL.

Methinks you're making too much of a defense for him though. Bar 1 good game at home against Barca, he's not been a stand out player for Chelsea in the CL

You have Frankie pics in your toilet too don't you?

[Gary 111]

What's wrong with the Guardian website? Yeah. He must have scored all his goals since last year from deflections. That'll raise his percentage from 6% won't it. FFS.

Yes. He had a bad tournament. Maradona's had bad tournaments. Harping on about the 06 world cup is desperation of the highest order.

Nothing wrong with the guardian website, very entertaining. And I could find lots of good quotes about Lampard on it, or 'Fat Frank' as they call him. I wouldn't present them as facts though!

Its either black or white isn't it? He's world class, he was the second best to Ronaldinho two years ago, as good as Bryan Robson, etc. Don't believe the hype!

He's a decent player, he scores goals. He runs a lot. He can pass a bit. He ain't Kaka!

He would make a good understudy to Gerrard for the England team but they can't play together and Lampard seems either unwilling or unable to change the way he plays for the benefit of the team and the more talented players around him. It was so typically England that an artist like Scholes was shunted out to the left for an artisan like Lampard. We get what we deserve sometimes.

Meanwhile the press hype up a decent international footballer like Lampard to be the best in the world. Inevitably (as they're nowhere near that good) when they can't live up to this everyone turns on them. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

[Lara Lara Laughs]

I'm sorry Gary, but that's rubbish. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Re the Guardian. They're stats from there, not opinions. Unless you're suggesting a broadsheet makes up stats...

[Brass Monkey]

S'alright chuckie, you're being endorse by the FF Leader - checkitowt(kiss my bad self). WTF do they know?

p.s. Do you or do you not hate Pat Fish?

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Lamps is a good player LLL.

Methinks you're making too much of a defense for him though. Bar 1 good game at home against Barca, he's not been a stand out player for Chelsea in the CL

You have Frankie pics in your toilet too don't you?

1 good game against Barca???!!! Lord! This is pointless.

Answer all my points or none.

Show me another midfielder with his goals.

Show me non world class midfielders that have been runner up in the World and European player of the year awards.

[Gary 111]

Its the website, not the actual paper. Don't believe everything you read, they're opinions. Emile Heskey isn't really called Mr Em...

Most of the knowledge section is ansered by other readers writing in.

[Brass Monkey]

Its the website, not the actual paper. Don't believe everything you read, they're opinions. Emile Heskey isn't really called Mr Em...

Most of the knowledge section is ansered by other readers writing in.

What do you think to Pat Fish?

[Gary 111]

S'alright chuckie, you're being endorse by the FF Leader - checkitowt(kiss my bad self). WTF do they know?

Huh, only by 6 points, you're just keeping it warm for me...

Interesting to see that istead of Lampard you've gone for a much better midfield combo in Gerrard and Barry in that team, as well as a much better player full stop in Fabregas....

[JKLever]

Pft.... how can you argue with a bloke with :cyclops:

Whats all this World player of the year voting gubbins to do with anything?

George Burley was voted Manager of the Year in 2001 FFS

Lets agree to disagree -
So, as i've said IMO - good player, a little slow, ok passer, good goalscorer.

In your opinion - he's sooper dooper Franky Lampard, World Class midfielder and you have 4 posters of him in your bedroom.

[doremi]

I hate Pat Fish. And I hadn't even heard heard of him before this.

[Gary 111]

Its the website, not the actual paper. Don't believe everything you read, they're opinions. Emile Heskey isn't really called Mr Em...

Most of the knowledge section is ansered by other readers writing in.

What do you think to Pat Fish?

His earlier works were a bit transcendental, not as good as Pat Sharp...

[JKLever]

Pat Fish?

Now if we were talking Fat Pish, at least that would be on topic!!

[DJ_Smerk]

Pat Sharpe? WELCOME TO FUN HOUSE. Sorry moving off topic slightly....again.

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Its the website, not the actual paper. Don't believe everything you read, they're opinions. Emile Heskey isn't really called Mr Em...

Most of the knowledge section is ansered by other readers writing in.

So? What difference does it make if it's the website. They don't make a habit of printing incorrect information.

And it's not answered by other readers. It's answered by two Guardian employees who have used the "Guardian database".

Stop pointlessly arguing when you're completely wrong.

[Lara Lara Laughs]

Pft.... how can you argue with a bloke with :cyclops:

Whats all this World player of the year voting gubbins to do with anything?

George Burley was voted Manager of the Year in 2001 FFS

Lets agree to disagree -
So, as i've said IMO - good player, a little slow, ok passer, good goalscorer.

In your opinion - he's sooper dooper Franky Lampard, World Class midfielder and you have 4 posters of him in your bedroom.

Manager of the year? WTF. That's got nothing to do with world player or european player of the year. Show me some crap players that have won world or european player of the year.

He is sooper dooper Lampard. And he is world class. You haven't rebutted any of my original points.

And all this slow business. Feck off. People think that anyone who isn't Henry is slow nowadays. He's got decent acceleration, which is what counts for a midfielder. Great passer and great goalscorer. Again, find me another midfielder who scores as many goals. Please. I beg you. How can he be only a "good scorer" when there is no-one else doing what he is doing in his position?

[JKLever]

I don't agree with you, LLL.

leave it laddy, neither of us is going to change our opinion

[Lara Lara Laughs]

S'alright chuckie, you're being endorse by the FF Leader - checkitowt(kiss my bad self). WTF do they know?

Huh, only by 6 points, you're just keeping it warm for me...

Interesting to see that istead of Lampard you've gone for a much better midfield combo in Gerrard and Barry in that team, as well as a much better player full stop in Fabregas....

Maybe because Lampard is expensive. 3 goals in 4 Premierleague games. He's already near the top of the midfielders tree and he's played less games than everyone else.

You've got no argument. You've been defeated. You've lost. Lampard is class. Good day.

[doremi]

Speed is a bit over-rated. Just look at Riquelme. Even I could run faster.

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