Re: Younis Khan invites teams to tour Pakistan

by PlanetPakistan Wed 24 Jun 2009, 15:07

Josh Carney wrote:

Younis Khan used cricket's grandest stage to announce his retirement from Twenty20 internationals, and make an impassioned plea for teams to once again tour his country. The Pakistan captain, speaking after Sunday's emphatic eight-wicket World Twenty20 victory over Sri Lanka, hoped the result would go far to saving cricket in his homeland, which is struggling to attract the interest of younger generations with no international matches being played within its borders.

I am requesting to all of the countries: 'You must come to Pakistan'," Younis said. "Everybody knows law and order is not good but it is not our fault. Especially for youngsters, we need home series because everywhere there is no cricket in Pakistan. How can we motivate the youngsters, especially at school level and college level? I think this will be helping us build a new structure in Pakistan for our future.

"How can we promote cricket to our youngsters if there is no international game in Pakistan? How can I motivate my son and my neighbours' small children? That's why we need cricket in Pakistan. Law and order is not good, but this is not our fault. We are suffering at the moment from these kinds of things. I think sports should be away from politics."
Dedication to Bob Woolmer

Younis dedicated Pakistan's World Twenty20 triumph to his former coach Bob Woolmer, who died during the 2007 World Cup in the Caribbean.

"This final must go to Bob Woolmer," he said. "He was doing good things with us in 2005 and especially my cricket. I would be very proud if he was alive and sitting with me because he's a very nice guy and was a father figure for us. Why I am captain is because in 2005 - at that time I was not a regular player for Pakistan - he was the guy who all the time was chatting with the chairman and the selectors that Younis will be the next captain. So because of him I have become a captain. I dedicate this final to Bob Woolmer."

well winning the T20 world cup isn't a bad start.

by rey Thu 25 Jun 2009, 14:13

Khan is a lovely chap and a great cricketer but he's mad to think any sporting team should tour Pakistan at this moment. I mean the Pak authorities haven't even caught the people behind the Lahore attack yet.

by Chandan Thu 25 Jun 2009, 16:26

PlanetPakistan wrote:
Younis Khan wrote:

"How can we promote cricket to our youngsters if there is no international game in Pakistan? How can I motivate my son and my neighbours' small children? That's why we need cricket in Pakistan."

well winning the T20 world cup isn't a bad start.

Winning few tests and series away from home won't harm either!

by PlanetPakistan Thu 25 Jun 2009, 18:53

Chandan wrote:
PlanetPakistan wrote:
Younis Khan wrote:

"How can we promote cricket to our youngsters if there is no international game in Pakistan? How can I motivate my son and my neighbours' small children? That's why we need cricket in Pakistan."

well winning the T20 world cup isn't a bad start.

Winning few tests and series away from home won't harm either!

yeah

by filosofee Thu 25 Jun 2009, 22:22

Batman wrote:
The likes of Ram Sene don't go around in 'private armies' as mis-reported, don't go around with guns, don't blow up people with bombs daily and don't flog women publicly and legally for not wearing burqa or visiting a pub. Once in a while a cheap moral brigade roadshow is done for political reasons, sure, but they do get arrested and face the music in courts at least. Don't compare this with Talibanized Pak. Because there is NO comparision. Holding demonstrations for media consumption is not as 'extremist' as killing people. No?

Clean your own backyard mess up first. Your terrorists attacked a visiting cricket team making your nation a sporting pariah. So criticism following that will be natural, all around the world and you cannot shut everyone up by trying to argue law and order situations of all of them.

Forget why this year's IPL was staged in South Africa, Batman? Indian police couldn't manage an election and a sporting event concurrently!

Beating women, and worse, as a result of dowry crime is an escalating crime within the expanding middle classes in India, even though dowry is outlawed. And don't even get me started on India's financing militants in my home province, Balochistan. I suggest you face up to the facts that India is not a united but a fractious country, I know, I have visited India (Delhi, Agra, Jaipur).

As a poster suggests in this thread, both India and Pakistan are not particularly safe. Pakistan is made more unsafe through use by the US of uninhabited combat aerial vehicles -UCAVs indiscriminately killing civilians, including women, children and the elderly. So, Younus is very naive, but he is allowed to dream.

by doremi Thu 25 Jun 2009, 23:15

filosofee wrote:Forget why this year's IPL was staged in South Africa, Batman? Indian police couldn't manage an election and a sporting event concurrently!

Flimsy point, both the election and the sporting event are huge scale events spread out over a month ovelapping each other, obviously that'd have stretched the police, and thanks to Pakistan for the Lahore and Mumbai attacks, there's no way India were going to take the slightest chance.

Beating women, and worse, as a result of dowry crime is an escalating crime within the expanding middle classes in India, even though dowry is outlawed. And don't even get me started on India's financing militants in my home province, Balochistan. I suggest you face up to the facts that India is not a united but a fractious country, I know, I have visited India (Delhi, Agra, Jaipur).

Dowry is outlawed, and very harshly penalised. And that is not the only way women are victims in India. Plenty of steps are being taken but old demons are hard to kill. But I still don't see your point here wrt India being unsafe.

Never seen much evidence (or read) about the involvement in Balochistan.

India is pretty united, except Kashmir and perhaps Nagaland. And how the hell you got the impression that it is not from Delhi, Agra and Jaipur is something I'd really like to know.

As a poster suggests in this thread, both India and Pakistan are not particularly safe. Pakistan is made more unsafe through use by the US of uninhabited combat aerial vehicles -UCAVs indiscriminately killing civilians, including women, children and the elderly. So, Younus is very naive, but he is allowed to dream.

Let's face facts here, Pakistan is unsafe because it has a powerful far right Islamic militant presence and it has harboured and actively encouraged terrorism in India.

by filosofee Thu 25 Jun 2009, 23:41

doremi wrote:
filosofee wrote:Forget why this year's IPL was staged in South Africa, Batman? Indian police couldn't manage an election and a sporting event concurrently!

Flimsy point, both the election and the sporting event are huge scale events spread out over a month ovelapping each other, obviously that'd have stretched the police, and thanks to Pakistan for the Lahore and Mumbai attacks, there's no way India were going to take the slightest chance.

Beating women, and worse, as a result of dowry crime is an escalating crime within the expanding middle classes in India, even though dowry is outlawed. And don't even get me started on India's financing militants in my home province, Balochistan. I suggest you face up to the facts that India is not a united but a fractious country, I know, I have visited India (Delhi, Agra, Jaipur).

Dowry is outlawed, and very harshly penalised. And that is not the only way women are victims in India. Plenty of steps are being taken but old demons are hard to kill. But I still don't see your point here wrt India being unsafe.

Never seen much evidence (or read) about the involvement in Balochistan.

India is pretty united, except Kashmir and perhaps Nagaland. And how the hell you got the impression that it is not from Delhi, Agra and Jaipur is something I'd really like to know.

As a poster suggests in this thread, both India and Pakistan are not particularly safe. Pakistan is made more unsafe through use by the US of uninhabited combat aerial vehicles -UCAVs indiscriminately killing civilians, including women, children and the elderly. So, Younus is very naive, but he is allowed to dream.

Let's face facts here, Pakistan is unsafe because it has a powerful far right Islamic militant presence and it has harboured and actively encouraged terrorism in India.

Yes, let's face facts doremi, you may not have heard/read about India's sponsoring militants in Balochistan but Musharaf accused India of it. India has its own problems with its far-right. Indians/Hindus I stayed with in New Delhi, and Indians living here in London convey that India is fractious and disunited, but fortunately it does not have US drones firing on its civilians.

by The One Fri 26 Jun 2009, 05:30

wow musharraf accused india of it. must be true then

any single credible, independent source to back that up?

if you think pakistan is unsafe mostly due to US drones you either have your head stuck in the sand or dont know what you are talking about. sometimes i seriously dont get the levels of denial that still exist amongst some pakistanis. you have huge numbers of terrorists in your country. most of them were bred by your state. many of them still are. that problem is not going to go away by saying it does not exist. it will take a lot of hard work and many years

by SG Fri 26 Jun 2009, 06:23

it will take a lot of hard work and many years

Forgetting about India would help Pak immensely, for next few years atleast.

For heaven's sake, why the hell can't Pak forget India for once and start looking at clearing its own backyard first. That would be not only for their own good, but would also help us immensely.

Everything should not be India centric you know. This India fixation should be fixed once and for all.

by Josh Carney Fri 26 Jun 2009, 06:28

There are nut cases, extremists, chauvanists and feudalists in both countries.
However the major difference between Pakistan and India is the constitution. In Pakistan consitutionally there is a divine self righteousness bestowed upon one group of people which is the cause of most ills that have plagued that Country including the Bangladesh Genocides.

by SG Fri 26 Jun 2009, 06:32

wow musharraf accused india of it. must be true then

Probably thats how Pak judiciary works. You accuse someone of something and he is guilty without giving him an opportunity of trial.

Thats the reason why Sarabjit's lawyer didn't appear for him for 2 straight hearings resulting him getting death penalty from Pak SC.

And here is India which is not only providing Kasab all possible legal aid but is also ensuring free and fair trial despite having watertight case against him.

And then some people compare the situation in India and Pak. Laughable to say the least.

by Batman Fri 26 Jun 2009, 06:50

filosofee wrote:
Batman wrote:
The likes of Ram Sene don't go around in 'private armies' as mis-reported, don't go around with guns, don't blow up people with bombs daily and don't flog women publicly and legally for not wearing burqa or visiting a pub. Once in a while a cheap moral brigade roadshow is done for political reasons, sure, but they do get arrested and face the music in courts at least. Don't compare this with Talibanized Pak. Because there is NO comparision. Holding demonstrations for media consumption is not as 'extremist' as killing people. No?

Clean your own backyard mess up first. Your terrorists attacked a visiting cricket team making your nation a sporting pariah. So criticism following that will be natural, all around the world and you cannot shut everyone up by trying to argue law and order situations of all of them.

Forget why this year's IPL was staged in South Africa, Batman? Indian police couldn't manage an election and a sporting event concurrently!

Beating women, and worse, as a result of dowry crime is an escalating crime within the expanding middle classes in India, even though dowry is outlawed. And don't even get me started on India's financing militants in my home province, Balochistan. I suggest you face up to the facts that India is not a united but a fractious country, I know, I have visited India (Delhi, Agra, Jaipur).

As a poster suggests in this thread, both India and Pakistan are not particularly safe. Pakistan is made more unsafe through use by the US of uninhabited combat aerial vehicles -UCAVs indiscriminately killing civilians, including women, children and the elderly. So, Younus is very naive, but he is allowed to dream.

I think the reasons why Govt refused to give cover to IPL has been discussed at length here. Johnny come lately ignoramuses should not bother about it too much. Conducting a countrywide election and keeping it free from terrorism [no thanks to Pak] and protecting a VIPs from half a dozen countries along with VIP security from India in those matches was always asking for trouble. We did the right thing. At least we didn't just jingoistically call teams promising 'Presidential Security' and leave them at the mercy of the terrorists. It wasn't that far ago when the Kiwi team almost got bombed in their hotel and had to leave Pak mid-series too. India has always given top notch security to every team without fail. We don't take chances where we can't. You will not see these kind of incidents and the Govt will not delude you if it sees a high risk situation unlike Pakistan who hoodwinked the Lankans into touring with tall security assurances.

Now you are shifting goalposts. Dowri deaths eh? The fact that these bastiches are behind bars serving life sentences doesn't tell you anything. It doesn't tell you that at least the law and order is working here unlike in Pakistan where people are either trained to blow someone up or blow themselves up!

And yes we are a fractitious country. I think we are more 'fractitious' then Sindh, Balochistan, NWFP and what not? And of course we are also flooding Pakistan with fake money currency through our embassies in Nepal, Bangla and Pak to derail your economy as well, aren't we?
Rolling Eyes

by PlanetPakistan Fri 26 Jun 2009, 22:59

filosofee wrote:
doremi wrote:
filosofee wrote:Forget why this year's IPL was staged in South Africa, Batman? Indian police couldn't manage an election and a sporting event concurrently!

Flimsy point, both the election and the sporting event are huge scale events spread out over a month ovelapping each other, obviously that'd have stretched the police, and thanks to Pakistan for the Lahore and Mumbai attacks, there's no way India were going to take the slightest chance.

Beating women, and worse, as a result of dowry crime is an escalating crime within the expanding middle classes in India, even though dowry is outlawed. And don't even get me started on India's financing militants in my home province, Balochistan. I suggest you face up to the facts that India is not a united but a fractious country, I know, I have visited India (Delhi, Agra, Jaipur).

Dowry is outlawed, and very harshly penalised. And that is not the only way women are victims in India. Plenty of steps are being taken but old demons are hard to kill. But I still don't see your point here wrt India being unsafe.

Never seen much evidence (or read) about the involvement in Balochistan.

India is pretty united, except Kashmir and perhaps Nagaland. And how the hell you got the impression that it is not from Delhi, Agra and Jaipur is something I'd really like to know.

As a poster suggests in this thread, both India and Pakistan are not particularly safe. Pakistan is made more unsafe through use by the US of uninhabited combat aerial vehicles -UCAVs indiscriminately killing civilians, including women, children and the elderly. So, Younus is very naive, but he is allowed to dream.

Let's face facts here, Pakistan is unsafe because it has a powerful far right Islamic militant presence and it has harboured and actively encouraged terrorism in India.

Yes, let's face facts doremi, you may not have heard/read about India's sponsoring militants in Balochistan but Musharaf accused India of it. India has its own problems with its far-right. Indians/Hindus I stayed with in New Delhi, and Indians living here in London convey that India is fractious and disunited, but fortunately it does not have US drones firing on its civilians.

filo,

You will find that our Indian friends are far more concerned about the problems in Pakistan, the problems in IND are barely ever mentioned and almost never discussed in the kind of detail that they want to dishcushhh the happenings in Pakistan.

May be its their way to show love for our great country Smile

by SG Sat 27 Jun 2009, 05:34

You will find that our Indian friends are far more concerned about the problems in Pakistan

Well, you'll find that not only India but entire world is hugely concerned about this terror factory while no one mentions dowry deaths in India, some women getting beaten up in pubs, in the same breath.

It hurts, doesn't it?

by PlanetPakistan Sat 27 Jun 2009, 05:45

yeah... the mess being created by the Indian army in Kashmir in a non issue as always

How many threads have you, batman, Josh or Buckwas started about the recent happenings in Kashmir?

by SG Sat 27 Jun 2009, 08:37

This coming from a Pakster is as laughable as it gets. Got to love the naivety on display here.

by SG Sat 27 Jun 2009, 08:41

Mess created by India, in Kashmir?

Another madarsa/mullas influenced opinion, I see.

by Makaveli Sat 27 Jun 2009, 14:07

lol 'Pak fixation with India', every other day i see an Indian posting about how Pakistan is destroying India and so-called Pak issues which our Indian forum friends are experts on, ofcourse backed up by Indian media sources.

Get real you paranoid imbeciles.

by Makaveli Sat 27 Jun 2009, 14:16

One thing i want to make clear is that yes Paksitan does have it's issues, some they are responsible for others they are not. But then again which country does not? I just don't get all the mud slinging that comes from some of the Indian posters on Pak.

by PlanetPakistan Sat 27 Jun 2009, 15:06

SG has totally lost it...

i am sure in the next post he will blame the ISI for the recent uproar in Kashmir... Rolling Eyes

Total waste of time.

by buckSH Sat 27 Jun 2009, 15:14

Makaveli wrote:lol 'Pak fixation with India', every other day i see an Indian posting about how Pakistan is destroying India and so-called Pak issues which our Indian forum friends are experts on, ofcourse backed up by Indian media sources.

Get real you paranoid imbeciles.

yeah, talk is cheap.

When you gotta act, you must act. Else those countless folks who have been murdered over the ages by the paksters will never forgive this generation.

but the only reason why we do not go all out against the paksters is because the old British game plan was to instigate the naive, vengeful natives against each other and pretend to be all cute themselves. When there is a cat who is around to steal the milk, the monkeys must be wary.

by PlanetPakistan Sat 27 Jun 2009, 15:17

Makaveli wrote:lol 'Pak fixation with India', every other day i see an Indian posting about how Pakistan is destroying India and so-called Pak issues which our Indian forum friends are experts on, ofcourse backed up by Indian media sources.

Get real you paranoid imbeciles.

biggest problem with the Indian posters(with the exception of Doremi, Furr,philcric and even TO to some extent) is that they think the rest of us are stupid and have no clue of whats going on in Kashmir and the eastern states of India.

..and yes the irony of the phrase 'PAK fixation with India' is beyond hilarious.

by buckSH Sat 27 Jun 2009, 15:18

PlanetPakistan wrote:SG has totally lost it...

i am sure in the next post he will blame the ISI for the recent uproar in Kashmir...

Total waste of time.

what 'recent uproar' ?

there is a bunch of sunni sulley in some old nook of Srinagar who are ready to create a ruckus at a single phonecall from Islamabad. In fact it is primary desire of these folks is to turn their land into a 'dar-ul-Islam' wherein they can safely whore their daughters and wives to whichever saudi who comes on a pleasure cruise. One does pity them, but little else.

by Josh Carney Sun 28 Jun 2009, 02:29

Religious insecurity and self righteousness is the core problem for the woes in Pakistan, the Middleeast in general and to an extent in Kashmir.

One only has to look at the growing list Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. Whilst it cannot be denied that Western powers have fingered the rest of the World and caused many issues it is time to move on and not play the Victim. Korea, Singapore and now India are examples of Countires who have broken that legacy and starting to take control of their destiny .

Unforunately that does not seem to be the case in general with the Muslim dominated countries, they are held back by their beliefs and like to play the victim for ever to justify their attrocities.

In the case of Pakistan the problem is that Islam was never able to bridge the divides between

Balochis & Punjabis
Mohajis & Pashtuns
Shias & Sunnis

to name a few. It is only when they have a so called common enemy that can whip up the frenzy of the general masses, be it Palestine or Danish Cartoons or Kashmir they are able to unite. This was never going to be sustainable and now it is all coming apart at the seams.

Pakistan seems to be going the way Iran went where after 30 years it is clearly evident that such intolerant religious centric constitutions are doomed.

by jim rich Sun 28 Jun 2009, 10:39

they think the rest of us are stupid and have no clue of whats going on in Kashmir and the eastern states of India.

That's a bit of an understatement, PP and from some things said here, I'm sure you don't.
Getting back to the subject of the thread:
Younis now suggests that the Pakistanis, who basically have all their IPL contracts suspended, ergo have no valid contracts, should demand a higher "courtage" (for want of a better word) for their IPL appearances. Shouldn't the players he is referring to first ascertain:

a) whether the Pak government will let them go,
b) whether they can get an Indian visa and
c) whether they can attain a mutually binding contract in the first place

I suspect the franchisees may not be interested in contract renewals at all, WC champions or not. Methinks it is pretty stupid putting the cart before the horse.

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