Pakistan vs Australia

10 consecutive test losses now for pakistan against australia. is this the worst ever run for any team against any other team (barring minnows)? might well extend to 12 by the time this tour is over

If you count the Saffies as minnows back in the 1890s, and the Banindians, Kiwis and SL the same when they started, 10 straight losses (non-minnow v non-minnow) would be hard to top.

The Bangers have lost all 12 Tests they've played v SL (and accounted for 100 of Chuck's Test wickets - well 89 anyway ).

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How many Tests have the Bangers lost against India in India?

Bangers are undefeated . . . . farkin lol at the pissweak BanIndians . . .

PMSL.

surely even the just starting off saffies, indians, kiwis and lankans would have managed the odd draw in their first 10 tests against any particular nation. mostly because test tours were so few and far between then

This is because of a combination of things, Aus have prob been the best side over the last 10-15 years (and prob the best of all time), we have been quite weak during this period. Secondly we only ever play Aus in their own backyard, the last time Aus played IN Pakistan we competed quite well.

I'm pretty sure if they came to Pak we would have put up better competition.

But yeah we are crap against the Aussies.

I don't know why though Makka, your bowling attack is really strong, but the batting, well, it's weak at the minute. Bar Yousuf and a couple of other exceptions. If there was ever a time to stand up and be counted to root the rot of history, it's here and now. Teams have been doing it left right and centre in the past couple of years, about time Pakistan showed what they can do.

Also, fielding is a serious issue.


SORT IT OUT!

Agreed but atleast we lasted 5 days esp with a batting lineup like that, ffs Faisal.

Makaveli wrote:Agreed but atleast we lasted 5 days esp with a batting lineup like that, ffs Faisal.

Iqbal getting out on 48, like the fielding, shows their a bit lazy when it comes to digging in. We've said the same about McCullum and the West Indies in different respects, but there wasn't any reason why Pakistan couldn't have held out for the draw.

The catching has been bad for a while, it really needs to be looked at because we lose games because of it.

Aamer could have had a few more wickets, just let down by the fielding.

skully wrote:If you count the Saffies as minnows back in the 1890s,

SA lost their first 8 straight against England and then, maybe surprisingly drew their first ever test against Aus.

In the next series against England in 1905/6 we won won straight and won the series 4-1

The One wrote:is this the worst ever run for any team against any other team (barring minnows)? might well extend to 12 by the time this tour is over

England lost 14 in a row to the West Indies in the 1980s.

just checked it up. they lost 14 in 15 matches. longest streak was 10 losses, then a draw and then 4 losses. the draw seems to have been rain-affected

so pakistan seem to have the joint record so far. can they go one better?

The One wrote:just checked it up. they lost 14 in 15 matches. longest streak was 10 losses, then a draw and then 4 losses. the draw seems to have been rain-affected

so pakistan seem to have the joint record so far. can they go one better?

Do you know, I looked that up - saw the draw and managed to completely ignore it! Doh!

If you look at Pakistan's batting stats v Aus, Inzy, Younis and Yousuf have flopped big time against them over the years.

The One wrote:just checked it up. they lost 14 in 15 matches. longest streak was 10 losses, then a draw and then 4 losses. the draw seems to have been rain-affected

so pakistan seem to have the joint record so far. can they go one better?

Yes, as Taipan pointed out the Saffies lost their first 8 Tests to England all at home (they didn't get to tour England until 1907) between Port Elizabeth in March 1889 and Cape Town in April 1899. This run was equalled when Warwick Armstrong's Australians defeated England (captained by Johnny Douglas in all but the last match) in 8 consecutive Tests between the SCG Test of December 1920 and the Headingley Test of July 1921.

This might have been 10 but fior the fact that while timeless Test were played in Australia in 1920-1 the MCC rigidly adhered to 3-day matches on the 1921 tour of England to ensure that the Test Matches would not overly disrupt the County Championship programme. Rain and a flat wicket ensured that the Old Trafford and Oval Tests were drawn with Armstrong displaying his displeasure by reading a newspaper on the Oval boundary.

The record was broken by the two "blackwashes" in the home and away series by the West Indies against England in 1984 and 1985-6 when England was captained by David Gower in all 10 matches. This run could have extended to 15 as the West Indies won 4 out of the 5 Tests on their 1988 tour of England but the run was broken by a flat wicket at Trent Bridge in the First Test of the series in which Graham Gooch (146) and David Gower (88*) saved England's blushes (after they had trailed by 203 on first innings by putting on 161 for the 3rd wicket on the last day. However that Test was more notable for what happened off the field of play as the infamous "barmaid" incident ended the captaincy career of Mike Gatting (who was already under a cloud following his contretemps with Shakoor Rana the previous winter) thus paving the way for the "4-captains" summer.

Nevertheless it was a part of a run of 29 Tests between West Indies and England from June 1976 until August 1988 in which West Indies remained undefeated. England did not defeat the Windies between the Boycott-Grieg Test at Port-of Spain in March-April 1974 and the Lamb-Fraser-Small-Malcolm Test at Sabina Park in February-March 1990.

Australia defeated West Indies in 9 consecutive Tests between the two sides from April 1999 to May 2003. Australia have won 16 out of the last 19 Tests they have played against the West Indies since April 1999 compared to the West Indies' 1 - that being the record-breaking 418-7 fourth innings run chase at Antigua in May 2003.

What is interesting about Australia's consecutive performance against Pakistan is not so much that they have equalled the record but the length of time - 10 years and 51 days - that it has taken them to do it given the present preponderance of Test cricket. This is only 29 days longer than the consecutive 8-match victories by England against South Africa between 1889 and 1899.

Pakistan may not only be on the receiving end of the record but might also come to challenge it as they won all of the first 6 Tests they have played against Bangladesh but, as these matches were compressed between August 2001 and September 2003 and neither side has found the space in their schedules to meet subsequently, equalling or breaking the record may take as long, if not longer, than Australia have taken to do so.

Allan D wrote:Nevertheless it was a part of a run of 29 Tests between West Indies and England from June 1976 until August 1988 in which West Indies remained undefeated. England did not defeat the Windies between the Boycott-Grieg Test at Port-of Spain in March-April 1974 and the Lamb-Fraser-Small-Malcolm Test at Sabina Park in February-March 1990.

Is this the right time to mention that Greig and Lamb were saffies?

taipan wrote:

Allan D wrote:Nevertheless it was a part of a run of 29 Tests between West Indies and England from June 1976 until August 1988 in which West Indies remained undefeated. England did not defeat the Windies between the Boycott-Grieg Test at Port-of Spain in March-April 1974 and the Lamb-Fraser-Small-Malcolm Test at Sabina Park in February-March 1990.

Is this the right time to mention that Greig and Lamb were saffies?

Mmm, although true at the time, I suspect Allan Lamb would get more than slightly cross at being called a Saffie now.

Shoeshine wrote:

taipan wrote:

Allan D wrote:Nevertheless it was a part of a run of 29 Tests between West Indies and England from June 1976 until August 1988 in which West Indies remained undefeated. England did not defeat the Windies between the Boycott-Grieg Test at Port-of Spain in March-April 1974 and the Lamb-Fraser-Small-Malcolm Test at Sabina Park in February-March 1990.

Is this the right time to mention that Greig and Lamb were saffies?

Mmm, although true at the time, I suspect Allan Lamb would get more than slightly cross at being called a Saffie now.

That's the important bit.

Shoeshine wrote:

taipan wrote:

Allan D wrote:Nevertheless it was a part of a run of 29 Tests between West Indies and England from June 1976 until August 1988 in which West Indies remained undefeated. England did not defeat the Windies between the Boycott-Grieg Test at Port-of Spain in March-April 1974 and the Lamb-Fraser-Small-Malcolm Test at Sabina Park in February-March 1990.

Is this the right time to mention that Greig and Lamb were saffies?

Mmm, although true at the time, I suspect Allan Lamb would get more than slightly cross at being called a Saffie now.

In fact, of the England side that ended the Windies' 29-Test undefeated run at Sabina Park in March 1990 5 were overseas-born - Allan Lamb, Robin Smith, Nasser Hussain, Gladstone Small and Devon Malcolm. The most significant contribution from the native English contingent was Billinge, Essex-born Angus Fraser's 5-28 which reduced the West Indies to 164 in their first innings. I thought this had been sufficient to earn him the MoM award but according to Cricinfo's scorecard archive this went to Allan Lamb for his 132 in England's first innings (no other batsman made 50) which gave England a 200-run lead.

Billinge is in Lancs though, not Essex

JKLever wrote:Billinge is in Lancs though, not Essex

Quite right, JK, misread my Playfair Cricket Annual 1991 which was referring to the county his brother played for. Santa obviously neglected to give me a new pair of spectacles.

Your mum was right, AD, it did make you go blind . . .