Re: Indian test team for SL series

by jim rich Thu 01 Jul 2010, 10:31

Then tell me why Yuvraj gets picked again and again, in spite of his failures and lack of form (maybe even fitness) although he isn't designed for tests whereas Kohli, Pujara, Sharma and a few others are. It's a bit like Bresnan being regularly selected in spite of his pies.

by philcric Thu 01 Jul 2010, 13:31

Josh,

What Chandan and TO said.

Batting is not India's problem,. Bowling is. And you never seem to talk about that. It almost seems that you want established, popular and proven players out of the team and the team to be in continuous rebuilding process. Most test teams have a settled batting line-up and they don't change players unless someone is under-performing.

The thing about fans clout, sponsors clout, regional clout probably doesn't even exist. Sachin doesn't play T20s, Rahul/Laxman completely dropped from ODIs and T20s. Sehwag dropped a few times in his career. Yuvi never a regular in test side and dropped a few times from ODIs too.

by PlanetPakistan Thu 01 Jul 2010, 22:45

Been a long time since i saw SL play test cricket

whats their bowling attack these days?

by SG Fri 02 Jul 2010, 04:45

Agreed with what everyone here said. You don't 'try' out new faces in a test match, the premier form of the game even if its against B'desh IMO. You got to play your best possible XI in every test match you play.

And phil hit the nail on the head when he said that Josh never talks about our perennial problem of bowling. Its this discipline in which we need to urgently focus on rather than worrying about something which has always been our strong point.

by SG Fri 02 Jul 2010, 04:45

jim rich wrote:Then tell me why Yuvraj gets picked again and again, in spite of his failures and lack of form (maybe even fitness) although he isn't designed for tests whereas Kohli, Pujara, Sharma and a few others are. It's a bit like Bresnan being regularly selected in spite of his pies.

jim,

To whom this post was addressed to?

by embee Fri 02 Jul 2010, 04:52

SG wrote:
jim rich wrote:Then tell me why Yuvraj gets picked again and again, in spite of his failures and lack of form (maybe even fitness) although he isn't designed for tests whereas Kohli, Pujara, Sharma and a few others are. It's a bit like Bresnan being regularly selected in spite of his pies.
jim,

To whom this post was addressed to?

Yograj

by SG Fri 02 Jul 2010, 05:02

Good one, embee.

by Josh Carney Fri 02 Jul 2010, 06:15

philcric wrote:Josh,

What Chandan and TO said.

Batting is not India's problem,. Bowling is. And you never seem to talk about that. It almost seems that you want established, popular and proven players out of the team and the team to be in continuous rebuilding process. Most test teams have a settled batting line-up and they don't change players unless someone is under-performing.

The thing about fans clout, sponsors clout, regional clout probably doesn't even exist. Sachin doesn't play T20s, Rahul/Laxman completely dropped from ODIs and T20s. Sehwag dropped a few times in his career. Yuvi never a regular in test side and dropped a few times from ODIs too.

Indians are obsessed with batting, they are crazy about stats, individual records etc. It is generally the batsmen who are worshipped as super stars. For example the achievement of Kumble in his discipline should be celebrated much more than say what Ganguly has achieved. However Gangs is a bigger hero. From a bowling perspective, apart from Kapil Dev who dragged on towards the end our bowlers haven't generally lingered on. There are fresh ones coming along, they may not be the best but at least there is cycling. One thing I am certain is that our bowling would get an additional edge if we have an athletic fielding eleven who can mount the pressure. It is not just the catching it is about saving that extra run, being fresh for the full day's play etc.
What I really want to see happen in India is that all disciplines are provided the same importance so that kids are equally enthused to becoming good bowlers and fielders. Currently majority of the kids want to become batsmen because of their celebrity status. This needs to change. That and the short sightedness of the BCCI.

by SG Fri 02 Jul 2010, 06:26

Chandan wrote:Guys, If I'm not wrong we are having a three day match from 13-15 July in Colombo before the 1st match starts. You can check it here:

http://www.cricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-india-2010/content/series/455238.html?template=fixtures

Till now it is not cancelled according to cricinfo and hope it'll not be cancelled in future too.

Thats good to know, Chandan.

Though you've to admit you won't be surprised even if there was no practice game before the test matches. Thats BCCI for you.

by embee Fri 02 Jul 2010, 06:37

Josh Carney wrote:
philcric wrote:Josh,

What Chandan and TO said.

Batting is not India's problem,. Bowling is. And you never seem to talk about that. It almost seems that you want established, popular and proven players out of the team and the team to be in continuous rebuilding process. Most test teams have a settled batting line-up and they don't change players unless someone is under-performing.

The thing about fans clout, sponsors clout, regional clout probably doesn't even exist. Sachin doesn't play T20s, Rahul/Laxman completely dropped from ODIs and T20s. Sehwag dropped a few times in his career. Yuvi never a regular in test side and dropped a few times from ODIs too.
Indians are obsessed with batting, they are crazy about stats, individual records etc. It is generally the batsmen who are worshipped as super stars. For example the achievement of Kumble in his discipline should be celebrated much more than say what Ganguly has achieved. However Gangs is a bigger hero. From a bowling perspective, apart from Kapil Dev who dragged on towards the end our bowlers haven't generally lingered on. There are fresh ones coming along, they may not be the best but at least there is cycling. One thing I am certain is that our bowling would get an additional edge if we have an athletic fielding eleven who can mount the pressure. It is not just the catching it is about saving that extra run, being fresh for the full day's play etc.
What I really want to see happen in India is that all disciplines are provided the same importance so that kids are equally enthused to becoming good bowlers and fielders. Currently majority of the kids want to become batsmen because of their celebrity status. This needs to change. That and the short sightedness of the BCCI.

LB was a fairly decent JAMODI batsman ...and as captain gave the side a bit of steel

Spoiler:

by Josh Carney Fri 02 Jul 2010, 08:19

LB was a fairly decent JAMODI batsman ...and as captain gave the side a bit of steel

- Agree he did, the Captaincy part was quite significant. I was only picking Gangs as a random example to make the point that Kumble does not get his deserved kudos.

by philcric Fri 02 Jul 2010, 11:26

Josh Carney wrote:
philcric wrote:Josh,

What Chandan and TO said.

Batting is not India's problem,. Bowling is. And you never seem to talk about that. It almost seems that you want established, popular and proven players out of the team and the team to be in continuous rebuilding process. Most test teams have a settled batting line-up and they don't change players unless someone is under-performing.

The thing about fans clout, sponsors clout, regional clout probably doesn't even exist. Sachin doesn't play T20s, Rahul/Laxman completely dropped from ODIs and T20s. Sehwag dropped a few times in his career. Yuvi never a regular in test side and dropped a few times from ODIs too.
Indians are obsessed with batting, they are crazy about stats, individual records etc. It is generally the batsmen who are worshipped as super stars. For example the achievement of Kumble in his discipline should be celebrated much more than say what Ganguly has achieved. However Gangs is a bigger hero. From a bowling perspective, apart from Kapil Dev who dragged on towards the end our bowlers haven't generally lingered on. There are fresh ones coming along, they may not be the best but at least there is cycling. One thing I am certain is that our bowling would get an additional edge if we have an athletic fielding eleven who can mount the pressure. It is not just the catching it is about saving that extra run, being fresh for the full day's play etc.
What I really want to see happen in India is that all disciplines are provided the same importance so that kids are equally enthused to becoming good bowlers and fielders. Currently majority of the kids want to become batsmen because of their celebrity status. This needs to change. That and the short sightedness of the BCCI.

What's the discussion about? India's test team selection or Indians' obsession with batting?

by The One Fri 02 Jul 2010, 12:03

its kind of ironic though, since josh only seems interested in who is batting for india

by Josh Carney Sat 03 Jul 2010, 07:45

philcric wrote:
Josh Carney wrote:
philcric wrote:Josh,

What Chandan and TO said.

Batting is not India's problem,. Bowling is. And you never seem to talk about that. It almost seems that you want established, popular and proven players out of the team and the team to be in continuous rebuilding process. Most test teams have a settled batting line-up and they don't change players unless someone is under-performing.

The thing about fans clout, sponsors clout, regional clout probably doesn't even exist. Sachin doesn't play T20s, Rahul/Laxman completely dropped from ODIs and T20s. Sehwag dropped a few times in his career. Yuvi never a regular in test side and dropped a few times from ODIs too.
Indians are obsessed with batting, they are crazy about stats, individual records etc. It is generally the batsmen who are worshipped as super stars. For example the achievement of Kumble in his discipline should be celebrated much more than say what Ganguly has achieved. However Gangs is a bigger hero. From a bowling perspective, apart from Kapil Dev who dragged on towards the end our bowlers haven't generally lingered on. There are fresh ones coming along, they may not be the best but at least there is cycling. One thing I am certain is that our bowling would get an additional edge if we have an athletic fielding eleven who can mount the pressure. It is not just the catching it is about saving that extra run, being fresh for the full day's play etc.
What I really want to see happen in India is that all disciplines are provided the same importance so that kids are equally enthused to becoming good bowlers and fielders. Currently majority of the kids want to become batsmen because of their celebrity status. This needs to change. That and the short sightedness of the BCCI.

What's the discussion about? India's test team selection or Indians' obsession with batting?

Was responding to your quip on bowling being our weaker discipline.

by The One Tue 06 Jul 2010, 20:24

screwed

http://www.cricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-india-2010/content/current/story/466328.html

by doremi Tue 06 Jul 2010, 23:49

And to make things worse, Murali's retiring after the 1st test.

by Zat Tue 06 Jul 2010, 23:55

Will Chuck really retire if he finishes up on 799 Test wickets after the first Test?

by PlanetPakistan Wed 07 Jul 2010, 04:01

big loss!

ZAK is possibly the 3rd best test bowler in the world after steyn and Asif

by jim rich Thu 08 Jul 2010, 11:39

PlanetPakistan wrote:big loss!

ZAK is possibly the 3rd best test bowler in the world after steyn and Asif

by jim rich Thu 08 Jul 2010, 11:55

SG wrote:
jim rich wrote:Then tell me why Yuvraj gets picked again and again, in spite of his failures and lack of form (maybe even fitness) although he isn't designed for tests whereas Kohli, Pujara, Sharma and a few others are. It's a bit like Bresnan being regularly selected in spite of his pies.
jim,

To whom this post was addressed to?

Sorry SG, didn't catch this one the last time I visited this thread

TO wrote:
……..but there is no reason for a successful batting line-up to be changed just for the sake of change. no team in the world does that

by Henry Thu 08 Jul 2010, 12:19

"Dhoni married Sakshi, a 21-year-old management student, on Sunday night in a private ceremony attended by only about 50 people in the city of Dehradun.

His close friends and fellow cricketers Harbhajan Singh, Ashish Nehra, RP Singh, Suresh Raina and Rohit Sharma all attended amid heavy security."

Probably explains a few things regarding Indian team selection and why a guy like Raina is so close to the test side despite a moderate first class record, why Harbhajan is apparently undroppable, and why Nehra is shown so much faith.

by jim rich Thu 08 Jul 2010, 12:39

There must be something wrong with my math. She 21 and he 29 and portrayed as childhood sweethearts? cletus

by Chandan Fri 09 Jul 2010, 07:01

Henry wrote:"Dhoni married Sakshi, a 21-year-old management student, on Sunday night in a private ceremony attended by only about 50 people in the city of Dehradun.

His close friends and fellow cricketers Harbhajan Singh, Ashish Nehra, RP Singh, Suresh Raina and Rohit Sharma all attended amid heavy security."

Probably explains a few things regarding Indian team selection and why a guy like Raina is so close to the test side despite a moderate first class record, why Harbhajan is apparently undroppable, and why Nehra is shown so much faith.

Selections are actually done by the selectors, chairman of whom happens to be from Tamil Nadu . In India a captain has no say at all in selections.

Tell me if not Harbhajan, then which spinner would be chosen in an already inexperienced bowling line up?

Selectors have been randomly choosing back up middle order batsmen, sometimes Badrinath, sometimes Karthik, and now Raina. It simply shows the muddled thinking of selectors and nothing else.

And I'm glad that Nehra is an ODI specialist. At least one test seamer is spared from being ground to dust playing an infinite number of ODIs.

by The One Fri 09 Jul 2010, 08:08

jim rich wrote:There must be something wrong with my math. She 21 and he 29 and portrayed as childhood sweethearts?

he met her in 2008. supposedly

by PlanetPakistan Fri 09 Jul 2010, 17:30

is she hot?

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