Is Hussey better than KP?

For run scoring ability would take Hussey anyday, atm would give the edge to Hussey, the guy is amazing just look at his record!

Hayden? Better at swearing at small children maybe.

Depends on what you mean by better. I reckon KP's a better Test player than Hayden/Gilly at this particular moment in time. If you're comparing complete careers, then KP hasn't played enough.

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:Hayden? Better at swearing at small children maybe.

Depends on what you mean by better. I reckon KP's a better Test player than Hayden/Gilly at this particular moment in time. If you're comparing complete careers, then KP hasn't played enough.

Aye recently KP has been better than Hayden and Gilly, though Clarke has come good over the last couple of years.

Henry wrote:Apart from a series against Bandladesh, Hussey has done sweet FA away from home.

That's not his fault. He has performed in his away Tests and averages 70+.

I would suggest that Hussey is harder to get out than KP - purely because his defensive technique is tighter.

Henry wrote:Apart from a series against Bandladesh, Hussey has done sweet FA away from home.

Apart from that series his only other away series was against south africa...he averaged 65 on green pitches.

Trev in says something stupid shock....

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:Hayden? Better at swearing at small children maybe.

Depends on what you mean by better. I reckon KP's a better Test player than Hayden/Gilly at this particular moment in time. If you're comparing complete careers, then KP hasn't played enough.

Hayden and Ponting are our best bats with the best records over a longer time.

Hussey's average will drop don't get too carried away just yet his ability to stay at the crease is his asset. KP needs to have things his way to score runs.

Yesterday was the first time I have seen Hussey bat well since the ashes though in the WC his chances were limited.

He is still hard to get out. If you crossed him with Hayden then you might get a Bradman.

If you crossed him with Hayden you would get an inferior player.

And a horrible mental image.

lardbucket wrote:If you crossed him with Hayden you would get an inferior player.

No way.

You would have a super stroke player who never got himself out.

You sure you're not gabba Dan?

Minnesota Fats wrote:

lardbucket wrote:If you crossed him with Hayden you would get an inferior player.

No way.

You would have a super stroke player who never got himself out.

So you'd have Hussey ....

Zat wrote:You sure you're not gabba Dan?

Of course he's GD, he even sent me a PM admitting it.

Yeah but Hussey exsists in a different reality batting in the Australian middle order. Having batsmen above, with and below you who regularly murder attacks already does half the job of seeing a test bowling attack off before you even get to the crease.

If he was parachuted into the England team he'd be facing the new ball more and in turn bowlers with their tail-up, he'd be batting with an iffy tail more, he'd be coming in at far more high pressure knife egde moments and he'd be in desperate losing positions in a demoralised team quite often as well.

He's obviously an exceptional player but your performances are far less likely to stand out in a team of colussi. The Aussie's success breeds success but gives an individual far less scope to make a name for himself. He could finish his career averaging 90 but few people would be able to recall any of his individual innings like they would with say Steve Waugh or Brian Lara. He's playing in an era of such unparalelled dominance that few series he will play in will actually be that memorable in terms of being closely fought pinnacles of test cricket.

So Malcolm Marshall wasn't that good then?

tac wrote:

Zat wrote:You sure you're not gabba Dan?

Of course he's GD, he even sent me a PM admitting it.

So if I sent you a PM claiming to be NFI - you'd believe me then!

Eric Air Emu wrote:Yeah but Hussey exsists in a different reality batting in the Australian middle order. Having batsmen above, with and below you who regularly murder attacks already does half the job of seeing a test bowling attack off before you even get to the crease.

If he was parachuted into the England team he'd be facing the new ball more and in turn bowlers with their tail-up, he'd be batting with an iffy tail more, he'd be coming in at far more high pressure knife egde moments and he'd be in desperate losing positions in a demoralised team quite often as well.

He's obviously an exceptional player but your performances are far less likely to stand out in a team of colussi. The Aussie's success breeds success but gives an individual far less scope to make a name for himself. He could finish his career averaging 90 but few people would be able to recall any of his individual innings like they would with say Steve Waugh or Brian Lara. He's playing in an era of such unparalelled dominance that few series he will play in will actually be that memorable in terms of being closely fought pinnacles of test cricket.

Good points ...but shouldn't Mark Waugh , Damien Martyn and Michael Clarke have similar records batting at number 4 for Australia?

Eric Air Emu wrote:Yeah but Hussey exsists in a different reality batting in the Australian middle order. Having batsmen above, with and below you who regularly murder attacks already does half the job of seeing a test bowling attack off before you even get to the crease.

If he was parachuted into the England team he'd be facing the new ball more and in turn bowlers with their tail-up, he'd be batting with an iffy tail more, he'd be coming in at far more high pressure knife egde moments and he'd be in desperate losing positions in a demoralised team quite often as well.

He's obviously an exceptional player but your performances are far less likely to stand out in a team of colussi. The Aussie's success breeds success but gives an individual far less scope to make a name for himself. He could finish his career averaging 90 but few people would be able to recall any of his individual innings like they would with say Steve Waugh or Brian Lara. He's playing in an era of such unparalelled dominance that few series he will play in will actually be that memorable in terms of being closely fought pinnacles of test cricket.

Geezus...you sure do talk a pile of shit. So Paris isn't that good cos he plays for Australia, but if he played for England he'd be a champ. Nice.

I think i get it the aussie batsmen are over rated because they get to play alongside the aussie batsmen...

No wait that makes no sense.

And of course the aussie bats never had to face warne and mcgrath who of course are over rated because they never had to bowl to the aussie batsman.

All this circular reasoning makes me more dizzy than riding the tea cups at disneyland.

Nothing like a good debate Zim- if you took the trouble to read my post and consider the points I've made, you'd appreciate that I wasn't saying he wasn't that good, in fact I said he was exceptional, but that it's easier batting in the Aussie middle order than anyone elses and it's doubtful that he'd average the same batting for England, although I'm sure he'd do very well. Happy?

JGK- Fast bowling's a bit different to batting- exceptional proper fast bowlers are much rarer than prolific batsmen- although granted it didn't seem that way in 80s with the Windies.

Embee- M Waugh for one played in a (slightly) less dominant era. Here's a question though- he averaged 40-ish - is he 40 runs an innnings worse than Hussey though? Clarke and Martyn still average plenty though...

I fail to see how a players skill is diminshed if he happens to play in a team that includes alleged 'greats'.

Since he's without doubt the second best bat in the XI (after Ponting) for about 2 years, your (Emu) argument makes even less sense.

I have seen the same argument used to down play the performance of basically every member of the aussie team at different stages.

Surely somebody in the aussie team has to be as good as his numbers suggest or else he couldn't be helping make his teammates numbers look better than they are.

Bjelkie at his best might be marginally better than Braze at his best - but KP at his worst as we saw at times in Australia last summer (selfish, petulant, lazy, none too clever) lags far behind the worst of MH and many others.

Doubtless KP will improve in those areas and maybe already has started to. But in November 2007 Hussey is far better.