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Post by PlanetPakistan Mon 23 Aug 2010, 11:08

Laxman at 3 will be exposed by a quality seamer like Asif.
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Post by The One Mon 23 Aug 2010, 12:16

vvs averages 49 in aus/sa/wi

anwar averaged 40

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Post by PlanetPakistan Mon 23 Aug 2010, 12:25

The One wrote:vvs averages 49 in aus/sa/wi

anwar averaged 40
PlanetPakistan wrote:Laxman at 3 will be exposed by a quality seamer like Asif.
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Post by The One Mon 23 Aug 2010, 12:38

and anwar wont? laxman has an excellent record against mcgrath, who was twice the seamer asif is

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Post by skully Mon 23 Aug 2010, 12:40

Aye, VVS has lovely wristy strokeplay that lends itself well to quicker Aus wickets, ala Mark Waugh.
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Post by JGK Mon 23 Aug 2010, 12:41

AYe - if you can flick a waist high ball on off stump through mid wicket you are going to do well.

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Post by PlanetPakistan Mon 23 Aug 2010, 12:59

The One wrote:and anwar wont? laxman has an excellent record against mcgrath, who was twice the seamer asif is

Less likely
Laxman's technique has been exposed on numerous occasions against the moving ball so i won't fancy his chances against a newish ball on a helpful pitch AGAINST a quality bowler.

# 5 is where he belongs.
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Post by PlanetPakistan Mon 23 Aug 2010, 13:04

I also disagree that Mcgrath is twice the bowler Asif is

Asif in the short career has matched Mcgrath blow for blow, he may NOT be able to sustain it for another 10 years but as of now he has been equally brilliant
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Post by PeterCS Mon 23 Aug 2010, 13:06

PlanetPakistan wrote:Fromage,

I have never seen you make a cricket related post.

Dell's the highly efficient Moderator, not a participant these days.
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Post by The One Mon 23 Aug 2010, 13:14

PlanetPakistan wrote:
The One wrote:and anwar wont? laxman has an excellent record against mcgrath, who was twice the seamer asif is

Less likely
Laxman's technique has been exposed on numerous occasions against the moving ball so i won't fancy his chances against a newish ball on a helpful pitch AGAINST a quality bowler.

# 5 is where he belongs.

laxman's problems lie in swing i.e. countries like england and new zealand. not hard, bouncy pitches like in aus and sa

anwar was good. but he was not better than vvs

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Post by PlanetPakistan Mon 23 Aug 2010, 13:23

there is no denying Laxman's quality but his skills are FAR more suited for the # 5 position.
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Post by The One Mon 23 Aug 2010, 13:36

push sanga or amarnath up to 3 then. drop laxman to 5

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Post by SG Wed 25 Aug 2010, 06:00

Has Anwar ever batted at 3?

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Post by G.Wood Wed 25 Aug 2010, 06:06

SG wrote:Has Anwar ever batted at 3?

3 times

for an average of 6.33
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Post by SG Wed 25 Aug 2010, 06:47

Thats why its silly to make him bat at 3.

VVS has played some of his most memorable innings at no.3. If not for Dravid who has made more than 9000 test runs at no.3 @ close to 55, we probably won't be even discussing this.

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Post by SG Wed 25 Aug 2010, 06:49

DJ_Smerk wrote:....and bowlers. (Whilst not the most important part - I think the three picked would be a handful in their prime, and on a pacey strip). The WACA for example.

1. V Sehwag
2. S Gavaskar
3. R Dravid
4. SR Tendulkar
5. Z Abbas
6. J Miandad
7. M Amarnath
8. I Khan
9. K Sangakkara +
10. WPUJC Vaas
11. Z Khan

Pisspoor team on most counts. Just 3-4 members justify their selection.

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Post by Josh Carney Wed 25 Aug 2010, 07:53

JGK wrote:Dravid shouldn't be in this team - his success in Aust has mostly been in Adelaide and Sydney.


And by all means pick Murali in Australian conditions - he only averaged 100 here.
Dravid alsohas an outstanding record against SA in SA except the last series given his decline in the last few years. It is the best for any Indian batsman against the likes of Donald & Pollock.

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Post by The One Wed 25 Aug 2010, 09:33

Josh Carney wrote:Dravid alsohas an outstanding record against SA in SA except the last series given his decline in the last few years. It is the best for any Indian batsman against the likes of Donald & Pollock.

he's actually 5th best. below ganguly

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;orderby=batting_average;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2228;qualmin1=200;qualval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting

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Post by DJ_Smerk Wed 25 Aug 2010, 11:20

SG wrote:
DJ_Smerk wrote:....and bowlers. (Whilst not the most important part - I think the three picked would be a handful in their prime, and on a pacey strip). The WACA for example.

1. V Sehwag
2. S Gavaskar
3. R Dravid
4. SR Tendulkar
5. Z Abbas
6. J Miandad
7. M Amarnath
8. I Khan
9. K Sangakkara +
10. WPUJC Vaas
11. Z Khan

Pisspoor team on most counts. Just 3-4 members justify their selection.

Would you kindly point them out then? Go on, humour me.
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Post by DJ_Smerk Wed 25 Aug 2010, 11:29

So the best Pakistani & Indian batsmen of all time playing in the same team, account as "pisspoor" Pull the other one! If they were fit [the Indians in the XI] and available for the series against Australia you'd be all over it.
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Post by Paul Keating Wed 25 Aug 2010, 11:49

Anwar in the team over very very sh!t in my opinion
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Post by The One Wed 25 Aug 2010, 15:00

good thing no one really cares about your opinion

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Post by Josh Carney Thu 26 Aug 2010, 01:17

The One wrote:
Josh Carney wrote:Dravid alsohas an outstanding record against SA in SA except the last series given his decline in the last few years. It is the best for any Indian batsman against the likes of Donald & Pollock.

he's actually 5th best. below ganguly

[url=http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;orderby=batting_average;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2228;qualmin1=200;qualval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;orderby=batting_average;player_involve=2011;player_involve=2228;qualmin1=200;qualval1=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting[/quote[/url]]

Should have clarified that I was talking about both Tests and ODIs.


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Post by SG Thu 26 Aug 2010, 04:08

lol, TO.Very Happy

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Post by SG Thu 26 Aug 2010, 04:15

DJ_Smerk wrote:
SG wrote:
DJ_Smerk wrote:....and bowlers. (Whilst not the most important part - I think the three picked would be a handful in their prime, and on a pacey strip). The WACA for example.

1. V Sehwag
2. S Gavaskar
3. R Dravid
4. SR Tendulkar
5. Z Abbas
6. J Miandad
7. M Amarnath
8. I Khan
9. K Sangakkara +
10. WPUJC Vaas
11. Z Khan

Pisspoor team on most counts. Just 3-4 members justify their selection.

Would you kindly point them out then? Go on, humour me.
Zaheer Abbas simply doesn't deserve to be there in any such team. Though some allowance could be made for Miandad for his grittiness but he was found wanting on fast pitches, which is the criteria for your selection. Same is true for Sanga.

As for bowlers, Vaas and Zaheer look to be joke selections when far more skilled bowlers (from Pak) are available for selection. And you expect a team to be bowled out by operating just 3 bowlers, 2 of whom are Zaheer and Vaas?

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