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Post by Henry Tue 06 Dec 2011, 21:24

Apparently his manager has confirmed he will be seeking an IPL contract.

Well, it was good while it lasted.
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 06 Dec 2011, 21:36

Of course he is. He wouldn't even be in the Aus Test side but for the Champ's League, playing for the NSW Goldens. Not sure what you expected.
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Post by Henry Tue 06 Dec 2011, 21:45

Yeah, it's pretty naive to expect a Gen Y cricketer to ignore the temptations of the IPL and concentrate on establishing himself in his national side.

I'm Gen Y and I can honestly say i'd tell the IPL to go jump for the first couple of years of my career until I was an established member of the national side. It's not like playing for the national team pay peanuts. It's still 1 million a year FFS.
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Post by G.Wood Tue 06 Dec 2011, 21:50

Easy to say trev but much harder to do when you have the bloke who is guiding your career saying "you only have a limited earning window, you have to take the cash when you can", "it will set you up for life" etc
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Post by Blackadder Tue 06 Dec 2011, 21:50

Once again the IPL is to the detriment of Cricket in this country, CA should show some balls given his injury and ensure he is fully rested/recovered before seeking a IPL payday.

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Post by Henry Tue 06 Dec 2011, 22:06

That heel/ankle injury that Cummins has is one that stays with a fast bowler for life. Shaun Pollock had it, and so did Brett Lee. They both had surgery about half way through their careers to sort it out. It caused Pollock to lose a yard of pace, and the Doctors made a mistake with Lee and removed half of his brain instead.
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 06 Dec 2011, 22:09

I'd totally turn it down, but as Woody said it's easy to say that. But, I'm a man with very limited desire for personal gain and material things. They get a lot of money. The only reason I can think of that they wouldn't be satisfied is because of banal professional jealousy.
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Post by Henry Tue 06 Dec 2011, 22:13

These days, a player has a "team" of people around him that rely on his income, and try and talk up their man at every opportunity.

I reckon Fred Flintoff employed at least 5 people for various things. Manager, personal trainer, physio, PR manager...... They're all out to milk their man for as much as they can, while they can.
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 06 Dec 2011, 22:22

Well, when those five are actually two people - Dave Roberts and Neil Fairbrother then it's not too bad Wink.

Point is, they don't have to do anything. It'd purely be his decision. His decision is '$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'.
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Post by Basil Tue 06 Dec 2011, 23:39

Blackadder wrote:Once again the IPL is to the detriment of Cricket in this country, CA should show some balls given his injury and ensure he is fully rested/recovered before seeking a IPL payday.

A bit hard when Cricket Australia is a partner in the Champions League.
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Post by JGK Wed 07 Dec 2011, 00:23

Meh. The inept morons that look after the health and fitness of the players will almost certainly cause Cummins to miss the IPL because of injury anyway.

If CA is serious about Cummins they should say "OK, you can play in the IPL but you will not be picked for any JAMODIs for Australia because we want to keep you fit and your pay packet will fall accordingly."

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Post by Henry Wed 07 Dec 2011, 00:25

Missing out on JAMODIs will be a minor dent in his pay packet compared to missing out on the IPL.

The IPL will be a massive net gain.
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Post by JGK Wed 07 Dec 2011, 00:43

But the Australian public don't watch the IPL. So he is giving up fame in his own country and playing for Aust in return for cash. That decision alone will affect his "brand".

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Post by Henry Wed 07 Dec 2011, 00:45

I think even if he doesn't play in the IPL, his ODI appearances will be limited, at least for the next couple of years.
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Post by JGK Wed 07 Dec 2011, 00:47

As will his appearances generally it seems...


Cummins injury update
07 December, 2011

Cricket Australia (CA) today advises that Patrick Cummins return from injury has been delayed due to a bone stress component to his injury.

Australian Team Physiotherapist Alex Kountouris said: “Patrick injured his heel early into the second Test against South Africa.

By the end of the match he was quite sore and we had scans done after the game that confirmed heel ‘fat pad’ injury.

On return to Australia, he was given some time to recover and was reviewed throughout last week by NSW medical staff and then by myself in Brisbane during the first Vodafone Test versus New Zealand.

By the end of last week it was apparent to all of us managing him that he was progressing slower than expected for a soft tissue injury of the heel.

As such we arranged for him to see a foot specialist and had further scans that have identified a bone component to his injury, that was not evident on the original scans.

We now believe that Patrick has a bone stress injury as well as the ‘fat pad’ injury. This means that his recovery will take longer than first expected. He is not likely to resume bowling until early to mid-January 2012.”

CA General Manager Team Performance Pat Howard said: "The medical staff took a decision that Patrick’s recovery versus previous scans did not seem consistent and proactively made the decision that further scans were required.

These scans have revealed a bone stress injury which pushes out his recovery by a few weeks.

This wasn’t picked up in the initial scans done in South Africa. Unfortunately this, when combined with Patrick's young age to prepare for Test cricket, means that he will miss much of the Indian series."

"Whilst unfortunate for Pat, this presents an opportunity for other players which was evident in Brisbane and we will continue to support players to have those quality opportunities.”


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Post by embee Wed 07 Dec 2011, 00:48

CA has pulled Cummins from the Big Bash after using him to promote it

If he has any injury/workload concerns he will be pulled from the IPL by CA
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Post by Blackadder Wed 07 Dec 2011, 01:04

Cummins out to at least January.

Injury worse than first thought

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Post by Henry Wed 07 Dec 2011, 01:11

In other related news, Mark Nicholas has been found drowned in a Darlinghurst toilet bowl. It is believed to be suicide.
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Post by skully Wed 07 Dec 2011, 01:27

Blackadder wrote:Cummins out to at least January.

Injury worse than first thought
Ker-Ryst, is this related to the same invisible piece of metal that was in Midge's big toe??
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Post by Nath Wed 07 Dec 2011, 01:27

dickhead physio strikes again
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Post by taipan Wed 07 Dec 2011, 06:03

Henry wrote:That heel/ankle injury that Cummins has is one that stays with a fast bowler for life. Shaun Pollock had it, and so did Brett Lee. They both had surgery about half way through their careers to sort it out. It caused Pollock to lose a yard of pace, and the Doctors made a mistake with Lee and removed half of his brain instead.

Pollock did his injury in CC. Banengelund?
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Post by The One Wed 07 Dec 2011, 06:41

this upcoming series is looking more and more like 2003-04. huge scores with the occasional collapse providing the odd result

ricky ponting to play the role of steve waugh this time around

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Post by JGK Wed 07 Dec 2011, 06:46

Who is going to play the role of Ricky Ponting this time around?

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Post by taipan Wed 07 Dec 2011, 07:06

JGK wrote:Who is going to play the role of Ricky Ponting this time around?

Michael Clarke?
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Post by Red Wed 07 Dec 2011, 07:24

Henry wrote:That heel/ankle injury that Cummins has is one that stays with a fast bowler for life. Shaun Pollock had it, and so did Brett Lee. They both had surgery about half way through their careers to sort it out. It caused Pollock to lose a yard of pace, and the Doctors made a mistake with Lee and removed half of his brain instead.

Pollock predicted during ABC radio stint in the recent series that Cummins' action leaves him vulnerable to heel and back injuries. Didn't take long!
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