Tait's action questioned by New Zealand

holcs wrote:

taipan wrote:

holcs wrote:Yup yup and yup....

What would have been easier is to just bring in a bit of kit that had to be worn when bowling, a brace of some description that kept the arm straight!!!

Griffen did a test with a plaster cast on. The sods still banned him

Nice!

dare i say he was white?

As Skully has said - whether someone now throws can be judged on the murali test - if he can get away with it anyone can.

Infact anyone banned for chucking would have a damn good case to take to a court given the evidence we've witnessed just today

I don't think unless Johnson the leftie pitcher from the Yankees (well he used to be), turns out for the US in the WC, will ever be banned properly again for chucking.

There's far too much leeway, the testing process is too labratorial and can be fixed/staged by the player etc., and then theres the hyperextension arguement to boot!

There's too many bowlers, sh1t or not playing these days that pelt it down, and umpires etc won't do Jack. I'm surprised the Kiwi's even said anything with Kyle Mills in their side!

The Aussies aren't scared shitless of Kyle Mills.

JGK wrote:The Aussies aren't scared shitless of Kyle Mills.

True... But he still biff's it!!!

If curators keep producing no result pitches you can't blame the bowlers for trying to get an advantage!!!!!!

Red wrote:If curators keep producing no result pitches you can't blame the bowlers for trying to get an advantage!!!!!!

So why not ball tampering as well?

Can anyone answer whether any sub-continental bowler has ever been banned for chucking?

Some ball-tampering is already explicitly legal (shining it, wiping it dry), Other kinds (such as whatever bowlers do to make the ball swing reverse) are borderline (I gather) but I personally have no moral problem with because good RS bowling adds to the game..

Any other bright ideas bowlers may come up with in the future we'll have to make our minds up about, but most would say Atherton's dirt in the pocket (for example) was beyond the pale.

Funny quote from Vettori:

"f Vettori was tight-lipped on Tait, he did admit that New Zealand had carried over their problem of dealing with pace from South Africa, where they recently lost both Test and one-day series, but suggested it was merely a dip in form. "We have had some problems with it, how we played Dale Steyn," he said. "I can also cite times when we've played pace very well so we've got to find a balance between the two."


Wouldn't you just want always to "play pace very well" rather than find a balance between that playing it poorly.

taipan wrote:Can anyone answer whether any sub-continental bowler has ever been banned for chucking?

Shabbir Ahmed I think. FIGJAM may have also missed some matches while he underwent testing.

Also, Shoib Malik may have been banned from bowling for a time but not from playing.

It smells of beat-up.

Harry Potter was doing his best to be boring and say bugger-all ('tight-lipped' FFS?) and he 99% succeeded.

Malik seems to be a bit of a rarity in that (like Olonga) he tried to remedy his action, instead of just whinging and moaning about it.

When have the kiwis ever played pace well?

They play extreme pace worse than anybody around.

please don't yell wrote:When have the kiwis ever played pace well?

They play extreme pace worse than anybody around.

They're not used to facing extreme pace in their club matches. It's not easy for them to bowl really quick when they are playing in wellies.

I don't think Tait throws - his action is not unlike that of Malinga. Are we in danger of saying that if an action is unorthodox - the bowler must be pinging it?

I reckon Tait chucks by the old rules, but not by the new. Why they feel the need to say that when the likes of Murali, Bhajji and Akhtar are making the game look increasingly more like baseball as we speak, I'll never know.

Tait doesn't chuck it. For me, all the chuckers around are off spinners.

THICKEDGE wrote:As Michael Holding says "there are a lot of one way streets in Australia"

That's funny, particularly coming from a bloke from a bloke who was a member of the most arrogant, insular & rascist teams of all time.

Not the Windies, they were gentlemen and legends and loved universally for their friendly dememanour and fair play . . .

BTW, just watch Tait bowl on video and he seems to rotate his wrist and forearm as his arm comes over . . . this seems like a kink, but from side on I couldn't see much straigtening.

Still, it could just be an optical illusion . . .

tac wrote:Not the Windies, they were gentlemen and legends and loved universally for their friendly dememanour and fair play . . .

Yeah, happy, happy, carefree calypso infused angels.

Tait's weird, because when he reaches back, he has the palm of his hand
facing down towards the ground, and rotates his arm as he comes
through. This means that the elbow has to rotate so that the ball comes out of the front of the hand.

well spotted dem...

personally i do not think he chucks...btw heard a scientist claiming this am that mumu chucks at 45 degrees

btw was pleased that tait has agreed to go through the tests in the wussie lab...

however i think that testing in match conditions is the only way to resolve the issue....hang the expense let's resolve the debate the players deserve this

horace wrote:

...btw heard a scientist claiming this am that mumu chucks at 45 degrees

This gets my attention. What was the basis of the contention?