Aus Federal Politics thread (VII)
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VII)
skully wrote:Phurt, lies, damned lies and statistics.
So which part of it is wrong?
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VII)
Big Dog wrote:skully wrote:Phurt, lies, damned lies and statistics.
I've just seen some stats from my work that paints a completely different picture.
Care to put them up here BD or is this just the usual yapping from a safe distance?
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Clarke and Dawe at their finest:
http://mrjohnclarke.com/media/post/policy-explained-nothing-up-my-sleeves/
http://mrjohnclarke.com/media/post/policy-explained-nothing-up-my-sleeves/
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One persons reaction to a possible glimpse into the future.
In a surprise announcement, New York's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, says Hurricane Sandy has reshaped his thinking about the presidential campaign and he is endorsing Barack Obama...........
Our climate is changing," he wrote. "And while the increase in extreme weather we have experienced in New York City and around the world may or may not be the result of it, the risk that it may be – given the devastation it is wreaking – should be enough to compel all elected leaders to take immediate action."
In a surprise announcement, New York's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, says Hurricane Sandy has reshaped his thinking about the presidential campaign and he is endorsing Barack Obama...........
Our climate is changing," he wrote. "And while the increase in extreme weather we have experienced in New York City and around the world may or may not be the result of it, the risk that it may be – given the devastation it is wreaking – should be enough to compel all elected leaders to take immediate action."
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- NEW YORK: In a surprise announcement, New York's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, says Hurricane Sandy has reshaped his thinking about the presidential campaign and he is endorsing Barack Obama.
Why I'm backing Obama: Michael Bloomberg
Mr Bloomberg, a political independent in his third term leading New York City, has been critical of both Mr Obama and Mitt Romney, the president's Republican rival, saying that both men have failed to candidly confront the problems afflicting the nation. But he said he had decided over the past few days that Mr Obama was the better candidate to tackle the global climate change the mayor believes contributed to the violent storm, which took the lives of at least 38 New Yorkers and caused billions of dollars in damage.
The devastation that Hurricane Sandy brought to New York City ... brought the stakes of next Tuesday's presidential election into sharp relief.
"The devastation that Hurricane Sandy brought to New York City and much of the north-east – in lost lives, lost homes and lost business – brought the stakes of next Tuesday's presidential election into sharp relief," Mr Bloomberg wrote in an op-ed article for Bloomberg View.
Michael Bloomberg ... both candidates eagerly sought his endorsement. Photo: AP
"Our climate is changing," he wrote. "And while the increase in extreme weather we have experienced in New York City and around the world may or may not be the result of it, the risk that it may be – given the devastation it is wreaking – should be enough to compel all elected leaders to take immediate action."
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Mr Bloomberg's announcement is another indication that Hurricane Sandy has influenced the presidential campaign. The storm, and the destruction it left in its wake, has dominated news coverage, transfixing the nation and prompting the candidates to halt their campaigning briefly.
More than that, it appears to have given a new level of urgency to a central issue in the presidential campaign: the appropriate size and role of government.
Political impact ... New York City's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, views damage from Hurricane Sandy in the Breezy Point area of New York. Photo: AFP
As the Federal Emergency Management Agency began undertaking relief efforts across the north-east, Mr Romney found himself having to clarify a statement he made last year in which he appeared to back giving the states a larger share of the federal government's role in disaster response.
But Mr Bloomberg's endorsement was largely unexpected. For months, the Obama and Romney campaigns have sought the mayor's endorsement, in large part because they believe he could influence independent voters around the country.
Mr Bloomberg had steadfastly withheld his support, largely because he had grown frustrated with the tone and substance of the presidential campaign. He recently derided as "gibberish" the answers Mr Obama and Mr Romney gave during a debate to a question about an assault weapons ban. He has expressed disappointment with Mr Obama's performance over the past few years, and concern about what he has described as Mr Romney's shifts in views over time.
In announcing his endorsement, Mr Bloomberg listed the various steps Mr Obama had taken over the past four years to confront climate change, including pushing regulations that seek to curtail emissions from cars and power plants. But the mayor cited other reasons for endorsing Mr Obama, including the president's support for abortion rights and for same-sex couples, two high-priority issues for the mayor.
Mr Bloomberg said he might have endorsed Mr Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, but the Republican had abandoned positions he once publicly held.
"In the past he has taken sensible positions on immigration, illegal guns, abortion rights and health care – but he has reversed course on all of them, and is even running against the very health care model he signed into law in Massachusetts," the mayor said.
Even in his endorsement, the mayor continued to express criticism of the president. He said Mr Obama had fallen short of his 2008 campaign promise to be a problem-solver and consensus builder, noting that he "devoted little time" to creating a coalition of centrists in Washington who could find common ground on important issues such as illegal guns, immigration, tax reform and deficit reduction.
"Rather than uniting the country around a message of shared sacrifice," Mr Bloomberg said of Mr Obama, "he engaged in partisan attacks and has embraced a divisive populist agenda focused more on redistributing income than creating it."
The New York Times
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/sandy-pushes-new-york-mayor-to-back-obama-20121102-28nrf.html#ixzz2B1tOomNq
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VII)
Should be in AD's thread.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VII)
skully wrote:Should be in AD's thread.
He mentions "all elected leaders", we have some of those.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VII)
Mick Sawyer wrote:Big Dog wrote:skully wrote:Phurt, lies, damned lies and statistics.
I've just seen some stats from my work that paints a completely different picture.
Care to put them up here BD or is this just the usual yapping from a safe distance?
I wish i could but i would be breaking a gazillion laws & would get me fired. Related mainly to Tassie but the writing is on the wall for the rest of you.
Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VII)
PMSL @ Goofy
"Mr Oakeshott has been threatened legally by the Minister for Resources and Energy, Martin Ferguson, after comments Mr Oakeshott made to The Sydney Morning Herald last week after it was revealed the mining tax would make next to no revenue in its first three months.
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Mr Ferguson is demanding from Mr Oakeshott a private written apology and is reserving his right to go further ''to protect his rights and to seek compensation for the damage which he has suffered, including the commencement of defamation proceedings in the Supreme Court of NSW''. "
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After all the vitriol, defensive posturing, deflecting, non-question answering and name calling by this sham of a Labor Govt, Martin "Goofy" Ferguson is now suing Rob Oakeshott because he called him a few names over the poorly planned MRRT that has raised no income.
Aw, diddums. What a farkin roob.
"Mr Oakeshott has been threatened legally by the Minister for Resources and Energy, Martin Ferguson, after comments Mr Oakeshott made to The Sydney Morning Herald last week after it was revealed the mining tax would make next to no revenue in its first three months.
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Mr Ferguson is demanding from Mr Oakeshott a private written apology and is reserving his right to go further ''to protect his rights and to seek compensation for the damage which he has suffered, including the commencement of defamation proceedings in the Supreme Court of NSW''. "
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After all the vitriol, defensive posturing, deflecting, non-question answering and name calling by this sham of a Labor Govt, Martin "Goofy" Ferguson is now suing Rob Oakeshott because he called him a few names over the poorly planned MRRT that has raised no income.
Aw, diddums. What a farkin roob.
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That is a bizarre story. I cant think that anyone with a brain in the ALP thought it was a good idea.
Ferguson is a freaking dinosaur. Should be dropped from the Ministry asap.
Ferguson is a freaking dinosaur. Should be dropped from the Ministry asap.
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Seems you were spot on, MrK. After some closed door stuff with senior Pinkos, Goofy has dropped any threats of legal action.
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The bomb lion for Ferson: the feral gummin won't bakim
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Not a bad impression of how Goofy talks, Mr. Piefellow.
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The Goose strikes again
"WAYNE Swan has brushed off forecasts that Labor's plans to return the budget to surplus will be stymied by a shortfall in mining tax revenue.
The Treasurer this morning said a report by Deloitte Access Economics that shows Labor's predicted $1.1 billion surplus will actually result in a $4.2bn deficit this financial year, could not be trusted because "Access Economics doesn't always get it right".
"I certainly don't believe that (report) is (correct)," Mr Swan told ABC radio."
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Both Swan and that fool Bradbury were on the wireless poo-pooing Deloitte's work, saying there are any number of economists out there with wildly differing views on the state of the economy.
Is that right? MrK, any thoughts? My view is that the economy is shit (another rate cut likely tomorrow to attempt to kick start the heap of shit) and so do a few others wiser than me. I take your cherry-picked economist articles with a grain of salt.
"WAYNE Swan has brushed off forecasts that Labor's plans to return the budget to surplus will be stymied by a shortfall in mining tax revenue.
The Treasurer this morning said a report by Deloitte Access Economics that shows Labor's predicted $1.1 billion surplus will actually result in a $4.2bn deficit this financial year, could not be trusted because "Access Economics doesn't always get it right".
"I certainly don't believe that (report) is (correct)," Mr Swan told ABC radio."
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Both Swan and that fool Bradbury were on the wireless poo-pooing Deloitte's work, saying there are any number of economists out there with wildly differing views on the state of the economy.
Is that right? MrK, any thoughts? My view is that the economy is shit (another rate cut likely tomorrow to attempt to kick start the heap of shit) and so do a few others wiser than me. I take your cherry-picked economist articles with a grain of salt.
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Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (VII)
Why does this Government constantly deny the obvious truth until it embarrassingly jumps up and slaps them in the face?
Surely it's easier to admit getting something wrong early and then working from that standpoint, rather than denying the inevitable.
Surely it's easier to admit getting something wrong early and then working from that standpoint, rather than denying the inevitable.
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Pinkos will never admit they are wrong, Trev. They are by definition corrupt liars - they all come from the most corrupt of backgrounds - the Unions. Just look at the Vulture, Goofy and Short-one, not to mention the sleazist of all, Thommo.
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A week is a long time in ...
"TWO-THIRDS of voters think Prime Minister Julia Gillard lied about her role in the political assassination of predecessor Kevin Rudd and the majority are still determined to see him returned to the leadership.
But Tony Abbott is also facing a crisis of confidence, with almost the same number wanting the Opposition Leader replaced by Malcolm Turnbull.
Ms Gillard is facing her greatest loss of public trust since the broken promise on the carbon tax, while Mr Abbott has lost the support of Coalition voters.
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According to the Galaxy poll, Labor would stand to lose 20-plus seats if an election were held now, with the Coalition ahead 53 per cent to 47 per cent on a two-party preferred basis."
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So Kruddy and Turnbull easily the preferred leaders on both sides. And last week the polls shows a 2PP of 50:50. These polls sure do bounce around.
"TWO-THIRDS of voters think Prime Minister Julia Gillard lied about her role in the political assassination of predecessor Kevin Rudd and the majority are still determined to see him returned to the leadership.
But Tony Abbott is also facing a crisis of confidence, with almost the same number wanting the Opposition Leader replaced by Malcolm Turnbull.
Ms Gillard is facing her greatest loss of public trust since the broken promise on the carbon tax, while Mr Abbott has lost the support of Coalition voters.
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According to the Galaxy poll, Labor would stand to lose 20-plus seats if an election were held now, with the Coalition ahead 53 per cent to 47 per cent on a two-party preferred basis."
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So Kruddy and Turnbull easily the preferred leaders on both sides. And last week the polls shows a 2PP of 50:50. These polls sure do bounce around.
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Labor tactics- Promise the world, blame someone else when the inevitable happens and those promises are broken, then try and cling on to power by launching vicious personal attacks against the opposition, before starting the process all over again if they somehow win the election.
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skully wrote:A week is a long time in ...
"TWO-THIRDS of voters think Prime Minister Julia Gillard lied about her role in the political assassination of predecessor Kevin Rudd and the majority are still determined to see him returned to the leadership.
But Tony Abbott is also facing a crisis of confidence, with almost the same number wanting the Opposition Leader replaced by Malcolm Turnbull.
Ms Gillard is facing her greatest loss of public trust since the broken promise on the carbon tax, while Mr Abbott has lost the support of Coalition voters.
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According to the Galaxy poll, Labor would stand to lose 20-plus seats if an election were held now, with the Coalition ahead 53 per cent to 47 per cent on a two-party preferred basis."
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So Kruddy and Turnbull easily the preferred leaders on both sides. And last week the polls shows a 2PP of 50:50. These polls sure do bounce around.
Possible scenario- The unpopular Gillard and Abbott battle on to the next election, and once again, the election is a dead-heat because frankly, they're both crap and neither deserve to win outright. The Independents then put out the ultimatum- If you change your leader, we will back you and help you form a government. Who cracks first?
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Piggy Howes would change leaders before the Indies thought about that ultimatum
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The current Govt in a nutshell.Henry wrote:Labor tactics- Promise the world, blame someone else when the inevitable happens and those promises are broken, then try and cling on to power by launching vicious personal attacks against the opposition, before starting the process all over again if they somehow win the election.
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I scares me shitless that this corrupt fool wields so much power.embee wrote:Piggy Howes would change leaders before the Indies thought about that ultimatum
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I never realised he was so young. Just 32 years old.
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Hairdresser Timmy is clearly gay. He might be doing favours for young Piggy, or vice versa.
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story in the hun suggests the mad momk may have a bribery allegation to deal with
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Vic Libs close to openly campaigning for a change in leadership with Turnbull the pea
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