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Post by PlanetPakistan Sun 14 Jul 2013, 05:04

Please show your work after you are done, i will check the thread after a few days

There are ladders, one is 60 ft and the other is 40 ft. These 2 ladders are leaning against the  walls on the opposite side, the height from the (flat) floor to the intersection point of the 2 ladders is 7 ft, what is the distance between the 2 WALLS?
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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 05:52

Not enough info, PP.

Are the toes of each ladder in the corner of the floor and the walls? Like this?...

Can any one solve this math problem? PPmaths_zps2a42ac38

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Post by JGK Sun 14 Jul 2013, 07:59

That's how I pictured it.

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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 08:27

I've done some calcs with similar triangles and Pythagoras but end up with an equation with x^4 + x^2 in it.

Tricky. Might need Woody's 4 Unit Maths brain for this one.
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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 09:00

Here's as far as I got...

Can any one solve this math problem? PPMathsQ14072013_zps40263448
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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 09:04

Maybe Dan can knock up an iterative calcs program to solve for 'X' above. Very Happy 
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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 09:14

By plugging the formula of each side of the equation above in an Excel spreadsheet and trialling different values of 'x", I get that "x" (the distance between the walls) = 39.135 feet (39 feet 1⅝ inches).


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Post by Brass Monkey Sun 14 Jul 2013, 09:17

It's good of you to do PP's homework for him skully.
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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 09:18

Always up for a maths challenge, Dan. Very Happy

But I'm not sure PP's Maths lecturer would accept an iterative approach to getting the answer. I'm guessing the equation can probably be solved, it's just I couldn't be arsed messing with X to the 4th and X squared in the same equation.
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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:11

Just noted a transcription error in Equation 2.

Should read K^2 + X^2 = 60^2 ... (not Y^2)

39.135 feet seems high, but I can't find an error in the equation nor my Excel strings. Oh well, did what I could, PP. Cool 

Perhaps Mensa Man Woody can clean it up.
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Post by Growler Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:24

I don't know what the answer is skulls, but I do know it isn't 39 feet.

You can't have a 40 foot ladder across a 39 foot gap and be 7 feet off the floor at any point ... even where it touches the wall ... not so long as you've got a hole in your arse, anyroad Very Happy 
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Post by Gary 111 Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:31

The answer is Wasim Akram and Rashid Latif for the 7th wicket at Islamabad.
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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:40

Growler wrote:I don't know what the answer is skulls, but I do know it isn't 39 feet.

You can't have a 40 foot ladder across a 39 foot gap and be 7 feet off the floor at any point ... even where it touches the wall ... not so long as you've got a hole in your arse, anyroad Very Happy 
Yeah, logic told me this too, Growls, so there's seemingly a glitch somewhere in the calcs. shrug

Actually 39.135 squared + 8.27 squared gives 1600 (square root = 40) so seemingly you can have a 39 foot gap and a 40 foot ladder 7 foot off the ground!!


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Post by Paul Keating Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:44

Poor form of PP to be waiting a couple of days to answer this.

Skully - are you an engineer by chance?
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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:46

Paul Keating wrote:Poor form of PP to be waiting a couple of days to answer this.

Skully - are you an engineer by chance?
Hehehe, how'd you guess? Very Happy 
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Post by Growler Sun 14 Jul 2013, 11:18

skully wrote:
Growler wrote:I don't know what the answer is skulls, but I do know it isn't 39 feet.

You can't have a 40 foot ladder across a 39 foot gap and be 7 feet off the floor at any point ... even where it touches the wall ... not so long as you've got a hole in your arse, anyroad Very Happy 
Yeah, logic told me this too, Growls, so there's seemingly a glitch somewhere in the calcs. shrug

Actually 39.135 squared + 8.27 squared gives 1600 (square root = 40) so seemingly you can have a 39 foot gap and a 40 foot ladder 7 foot off the ground!!

Better find me a dunces cap then buddy Embarassed
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Post by tricycle Sun 14 Jul 2013, 12:31

I'm far too lazy to work anything out, but taking cosine from each side and tangent from the 7 point from each side. Calculate sin from there and sin^2+cos^2=1, giving a relation between two unknowns x and y. Should come as a degree 4 in x, so can't be arsed.

Just checking 39.135, seems to work from both sides.

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Post by skully Sun 14 Jul 2013, 12:32

Thanks t.
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Post by Batman Sun 14 Jul 2013, 17:18

Wow. I have completely forgotten maths man. haven't touched it with a pole since school like for 22 years now except basic calculations for daily life.

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Post by skully Mon 15 Jul 2013, 02:56

Bumped for PP. Answer on page 1.

Just note: where the hand written notes say K^2 + Y^2 = 60^2 in Equation 2, it should read K^2 + X^2 = 60^2.

And to solve the equation I used an Excel spreadsheet with both sides of the equation in different cells, and trialled various values of "x" before arriving at the answer of 39.135 feet.
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Post by PlanetPakistan Mon 15 Jul 2013, 03:07

Excellent work Skully! Very impressed by how organized you are( assuming you are a CIVIL engineer).
This problem was given to me by a guy at a party last night, he said it took him over a week to do it(he is very good at math). I am quite certain that he said the correct answer is around 28...Cool ! Skully's approach seems very good but not sure why the answer isn't spot on...
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Post by skully Mon 15 Jul 2013, 03:09

Yes, I'm a Civil Engineer, PP. Very Happy

And 28 feet seems more likely, but I couldn't see where I'd made an error. Oh well, maybe Woody can spot my error.
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Post by embee Mon 15 Jul 2013, 03:21

I think the error is you are a SGDT
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Post by skully Mon 15 Jul 2013, 03:31

Nah, 28 feet ain't right. Sorry, can't let this go, PP. Have checked my maths and the Excel strings, so unless your mate gave you different ladder lengths, this is what the solution looks like...

Can any one solve this math problem? PPmaths2_zps6b87d234

Now A, don't be a complete dickhead all your life, ay. Give your little girl something to be proud of for a change. Cool 


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Post by PlanetPakistan Mon 15 Jul 2013, 03:33

Skully, i can ask him again and will let you know soon
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