Re: Have players found a way to beat hotspot?

by Brass Monkey Wed 07 Aug 2013, 12:28

He writes in 'The Chron' for us. He's pretty good. Decent humour - less abstract than this brother - articulate.

by JGK Wed 07 Aug 2013, 12:29

PeterCS wrote:Alec Swann the former Northants & Lancs opener? And brother of?

The very one.

by PeterCS Wed 07 Aug 2013, 12:31

I remember that at the time he had a lot of goodwill at Lancs for being a good bloke, and a bright one. Problem was - by the time he was stolen from Northants at least - he was not so good for scores.

One in a long line, including more recently Stephen Moore. Theft does not pay.

EDIT: Unless you are Notts.

by Chivalry Augustus Wed 07 Aug 2013, 12:34

People should stop making excuses for hot-spot. It's a waste of money. It just doesn't work. Ever since it first came out people have alleged that batsmen are adding to their bats to 'trick' it. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Hot-spot is just plain sh*t. Always has been, always will be. Snicko? That's a fantastic piece of kit.

by PeterCS Wed 07 Aug 2013, 12:37

As a rather nice T-shirt said in the OT shop:

"ALL THE GEAR -

NO IDEA"

by Brass Monkey Wed 07 Aug 2013, 12:38

PeterCS wrote:Problem was - by the time he was stolen from Northants at least - he was not so good for scores.

I don't think he was, ever.

by Red Wed 07 Aug 2013, 12:55

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/clarke-goes-into-bat-for-his-players-over-hot-spot-claim-20130807-2rgll.html

Clarke defends his players against cheating allegations.

by PeterCS Wed 07 Aug 2013, 13:03

Brass Monkey wrote:
PeterCS wrote:Problem was - by the time he was stolen from Northants at least - he was not so good for scores.

I don't think he was, ever.

An overall batting average of under 28 - and an exactly matching retirement age - would suggest you're right.

by G.Wood Wed 07 Aug 2013, 13:22

Channel Nein news trumpetted this as "An Ashes Scandal that will Rock the Cricketing World" and it as their lead story FFS. What a bunch of autoblumpkining overreacting thunderqunts.

Next they will be informing us that bowlers put excess suncreen on their face so that can use it to shine the ball

by Brass Monkey Wed 07 Aug 2013, 13:43

Or spraying polish on their hand at drinks breaks.

by The One Wed 07 Aug 2013, 13:49

JGK wrote:Hotspot should only be used as positive evidence of an edge, not evidence of no edge.

that leaves either the fielding side or the batsman without any recourse in cases of catches/lbws

drop it altogether if its reliability is so tenuous

by tricycle Wed 07 Aug 2013, 14:00

Brass Monkey wrote:Or spraying polish on their hand at drinks breaks.

Gee, Monty's going mental.

by taipan Wed 07 Aug 2013, 14:02

The One wrote:
JGK wrote:Hotspot should only be used as positive evidence of an edge, not evidence of no edge.

that leaves either the fielding side or the batsman without any recourse in cases of catches/lbws

drop it altogether if its reliability is so tenuous

And the same with umpires?

by Red Wed 07 Aug 2013, 14:16

G.Wood wrote:Channel Nein news trumpetted this as "An Ashes Scandal that will Rock the Cricketing World" and it as their lead story FFS. What a bunch of autoblumpkining overreacting thunderqunts.

Next they will be informing us that bowlers put excess suncreen on their face so that can use it to shine the ball

After Nine was accused of beating this up Tony Jones came on in furious defence but undoubtedly they're trying to whip up some Ashes frenzy now that the urn has been retained up north.

by taipan Wed 07 Aug 2013, 14:21

Red wrote:
G.Wood wrote:Channel Nein news trumpetted this as "An Ashes Scandal that will Rock the Cricketing World" and it as their lead story FFS. What a bunch of autoblumpkining overreacting thunderqunts.

Next they will be informing us that bowlers put excess suncreen on their face so that can use it to shine the ball

After Nine was accused of beating this up Tony Jones came on in furious defence but undoubtedly they're trying to whip up some Ashes frenzy now that the urn has been retained up north.

It's in China?

by Henry Wed 07 Aug 2013, 15:14

Basil wrote:This is hardly news- there have been rumours circulating for well over a year that some batsmen have applied Vaseline to their bat edges to circumvent Hotspot.

Come on, you know that Red hasn't heard of it until she stumbles across it on the internet and interprets it as fact.

by Henry Wed 07 Aug 2013, 15:15

Red wrote:
G.Wood wrote:Channel Nein news trumpetted this as "An Ashes Scandal that will Rock the Cricketing World" and it as their lead story FFS. What a bunch of autoblumpkining overreacting thunderqunts.

Next they will be informing us that bowlers put excess suncreen on their face so that can use it to shine the ball

After Nine was accused of beating this up Tony Jones came on in furious defence but undoubtedly they're trying to whip up some Ashes frenzy now that the urn has been retained up north.

Channel Nine over-reacting????

Surely not....

by Gary 111 Wed 07 Aug 2013, 23:44

G.Wood wrote:Channel Nein news trumpetted this as "An Ashes Scandal that will Rock the Cricketing World" and it as their lead story FFS. What a bunch of autoblumpkining overreacting thunderqunts.

Next they will be informing us that bowlers put excess suncreen on their face so that can use it to shine the ball

I doubt any players are using this tape (fibreglass tape on the other hand has been in common use for decades. But if they are I don't see how it is any different to ball tampering and any player found guilty should be banned for at least a couple of Tests.

by Gary 111 Wed 07 Aug 2013, 23:46

tricycle wrote:
PeterCS wrote:Here's the BBC on hot(spot) news ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23598798

Former England captain Michael Atherton, writing in The Times, said: "Given that Hot Spot is clearly unable to pick up many fine edges, how much credence does the third umpire ascribe to it? Hot Spot is doing a perfectly good DRS system more harm than good."

Excellent news.
Can't agree with Atherton, hot spot is one of three elements usually used in DRS (apart from Hawkeye and slow mos) and one of two usually conclusive elements. If that's not working, then it can't just be written off as the system's perfectly fine. Also, it's not that there haven't been hawkeye controversies, the Rogers dismissal in the first test, for example, seemed poor enough to review.

I would definitely keep Hotspot as part of the process. Its brilliant for those lbw appeals when bat and pad make contact in close succession.

Also I think Haddin would have gotten away with his edge at Trent Bridge if it wasn't for hotspot. Inside edges often make a dull clunking noise that are hard to detect by sound alone.

by Gary 111 Wed 07 Aug 2013, 23:49

Just a random question re: snicko - but I have slightly dodgy knee joints - they don't prevent me from running or playing sport or anything serious as long as I manage them correctly, but quite often my knees make a very audible click when I bend them. Presumably that would show up on Snicko?

Better hope it doesn't coincide with the ball flashing past the edge of the bat.....

by beamer Wed 07 Aug 2013, 23:49

So KP says one of the reasons he wouldn't do this is that Hotspot can save him from lbws... simple solution though, tape the outside edge and not the inside edge!

by beamer Wed 07 Aug 2013, 23:51

Gary 111 wrote:Just a random question re: snicko - but I have slightly dodgy knee joints - they don't prevent me from running or playing sport or anything serious as long as I manage them correctly, but quite often my knees make a very audible click when I bend them. Presumably that would show up on Snicko?

Better hope it doesn't coincide with the ball flashing past the edge of the bat.....

I would imagine it would be a different "shape" of sound, distinguishable from the thin edge, like bat/ball on pad, bat on ground etc. generally are... if it's loud enough to register at all that is!

by G.Wood Thu 08 Aug 2013, 01:25

Henry wrote:
Red wrote:
G.Wood wrote:Channel Nein news trumpetted this as "An Ashes Scandal that will Rock the Cricketing World" and it as their lead story FFS. What a bunch of autoblumpkining overreacting thunderqunts.

Next they will be informing us that bowlers put excess suncreen on their face so that can use it to shine the ball

After Nine was accused of beating this up Tony Jones came on in furious defence but undoubtedly they're trying to whip up some Ashes frenzy now that the urn has been retained up north.

Channel Nine over-reacting????

Surely not....

I was wondering if it was an attempt by the ICC to take the focus of what a qunt DRS has become and put it on what a qunt batsmen are.

by embee Thu 08 Aug 2013, 02:05

G.Wood wrote:
Henry wrote:
Red wrote:
G.Wood wrote:Channel Nein news trumpetted this as "An Ashes Scandal that will Rock the Cricketing World" and it as their lead story FFS. What a bunch of autoblumpkining overreacting thunderqunts.

Next they will be informing us that bowlers put excess suncreen on their face so that can use it to shine the ball

After Nine was accused of beating this up Tony Jones came on in furious defence but undoubtedly they're trying to whip up some Ashes frenzy now that the urn has been retained up north.

Channel Nine over-reacting????

Surely not....

I was wondering if it was an attempt by the ICC to take the focus of what a qunt DRS has become and put it on what a qunt batsmen are.

Did they interview Chappelli?

by Henry Thu 08 Aug 2013, 03:02

Channel Nine shouldn't expect the England players to give them too many interviews this coming Summer.

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