Woakes and Kerrigan- Should England's selectors be sacked?

Brass Monkey wrote:

Facts are that Kerrigan and Woakes have been picking up wickets for fun...

Woakes has just 27 wickets this season.

To put that in some context, Monty Panesar - having a terrible season - has 28. Foetus Jamie Overton has 31. Jack Shantry, dobber extraordinaire, has 33. All rounder Ben Stokes has 34. David Willey has 40. Chris Jordan has 53.

For a new ball bowler, Woakes' record of 2.7 wickets per match is pretty dire.

Dello wrote:
For a new ball bowler, Woakes' record of 2.7 wickets per match is pretty dire.

Sorry, yeah. Should've said that he's been injured. Bowled 219 overs this season. Average 22.77, S/R 48.8.

Let's see what they throw up for Australia.

PeterCS wrote:Let's see what they throw up for Australia.

Puke Shite?

Possibly.

I think they should take a gamble on a raw quick for the Ashes tour. One of either Chris Jordan, Tymal Mills, or Jamie Overton.

It was mentioned a few years ago that nobody called Luke has played Test cricket... we can't let the Snoozers get in first with Ronchi, can we?

I think this is one race we should try to lose.

I like Luke Wright. I think he'd fare better at 6 in Test Matches than a lot of the recent pretenders.

I think he could be a very decent ODI number six, but test matches? Nah.

Chivalry Augustus wrote:I like Luke Wright. I think he'd fare better at 6 in Test Matches than a lot of the recent pretenders.

No,no, no.

I was probably the first on here to champion Lucky for England T20s and perhaps ODIs.

But let's not stick him in for Tests.

Bairstow may have been questionable, Woakes certainly seems erroneous.

But two wrongs don't make L Wright.

Gotta laugh at this thread. Trev champions every youngster under the sun for England honours, constantly wanting the latest 'form' player to be picked.... Then as soon as England do this he calls for their heads.

I'm with Chiv. He's much more adept than the likes of Woakes and Bairstow.

Henry wrote:I think they should take a gamble on a raw quick for the Ashes tour. One of either Chris Jordan, Tymal Mills, or Jamie Overton.

How quick are Jordan and Overton? Any quicker than the raw quick Woakes who has bowled 86mph to generally little effect this match.

Gary 111 wrote:Gotta laugh at this thread. Trev champions every youngster under the sun for England honours, constantly wanting the latest 'form' player to be picked.... Then as soon as England do this he calls for their heads.

Rubbish. I've called for certain players to be given a go, but not the two that they picked. At least I wouldn't pick the entire Yorkshire XI for England....

Trev. You called for Kerrigan in 2011. You called for Kerrigan this year.

Brass Monkey wrote:Trev. You called for Kerrigan in 2011. You called for Kerrigan this year.

I was calling for them to develop a young spinner to eventually take over from Swann, as Monty is about the same age, and has now developed a taste for the whisky, so was always unlikely (even before his troubles) that he would have a long run in the side once Swann retired.

Kerrigan has shown some ability, but he's bottled it big time here. You can't predict that will or wont happen. I always though Briggs had a better, smoother action, anyway.

Henry wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:Trev. You called for Kerrigan in 2011. You called for Kerrigan this year.

I was calling for them to develop a young spinner to eventually take over from Swann, as Monty is about the same age, and has now developed a taste for the whisky, so was always unlikely (even before his troubles) that he would have a long run in the side once Swann retired.

Kerrigan has shown some ability, but he's bottled it big time here. You can't predict that will or wont happen. I always though Briggs had a better, smoother action, anyway.

Backtrack #2833

Henry wrote:
And I see Simon Kerrigan's in the wickets again. Seeing as Monty has been pretty poor this season, perhaps Kerrigan has leap-frogged him as England's second spinner?

One of many examples, if I could be arsed.

Looks to me like Kerrigan is the second spinner in this match.

Brass Monkey wrote:

Henry wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:Trev. You called for Kerrigan in 2011. You called for Kerrigan this year.

I was calling for them to develop a young spinner to eventually take over from Swann, as Monty is about the same age, and has now developed a taste for the whisky, so was always unlikely (even before his troubles) that he would have a long run in the side once Swann retired.

Kerrigan has shown some ability, but he's bottled it big time here. You can't predict that will or wont happen. I always though Briggs had a better, smoother action, anyway.

Backtrack #2833

Henry wrote:
And I see Simon Kerrigan's in the wickets again. Seeing as Monty has been pretty poor this season, perhaps Kerrigan has leap-frogged him as England's second spinner?

One of many examples, if I could be arsed.


Looks to me like Kerrigan is the second spinner in this match.

I was implying "In the eyes of the selectors."

Oh, if I could be bothered to trawl. I never 'win' anyway - the Kartikeyan abilities are strong in you, paduan.

Monty's 3 years younger than Swanny, so could still be his "successor" on a short term basis... but if he can't sort himself out off the field the window of opportunity will be a short one.

I wonder if they will favour a spinning all-rounder like Fat Sam for the squad if they don't take him?

Monty's clearly the second best spinner in the land, but the results just aren't there. He's earned some sort of grace from the selectors, but he hasn't really performed since 2011.

He did OK in India, but barring that, fair enough. Perhaps no coincidence that reports suggest it was two years ago his marriage broke up?

He could still hold down a place by being the "least shit" post-Swann, if he's sober and focused.

beamer wrote:Monty's 3 years younger than Swanny, so could still be his "successor" on a short term basis... but if he can't sort himself out off the field the window of opportunity will be a short one.

I wonder if they will favour a spinning all-rounder like Fat Sam for the squad if they don't take him?

Moeen Ali might be a better bet than Fat Sam these days.

Let's be honest- They almost certainly wont play two spinners in Australia at any ground. So the only way another spinner comes into the equation is if Swann gets injured. That considered, Tredwell is probably the best bet as the back up. He wont spin through them, but he'll be solid, reliable, and is a useful number 8/9 batsman.

Henry wrote:

beamer wrote:Monty's 3 years younger than Swanny, so could still be his "successor" on a short term basis... but if he can't sort himself out off the field the window of opportunity will be a short one.

I wonder if they will favour a spinning all-rounder like Fat Sam for the squad if they don't take him?

Moeen Ali might be a better bet than Fat Sam these days.

Let's be honest- They almost certainly wont play two spinners in Australia at any ground. So the only way another spinner comes into the equation is if Swann gets injured. That considered, Tredwell is probably the best bet as the back up. He wont spin through them, but he'll be solid, reliable, and is a useful number 8/9 batsman.

I can see them going down that route if they're not satisfied about Monty's mental state. Doubt if Moeen will be picked, but if he gets another couple of tons before the end of the season and gets some wickets to bring his average down from 47, you never know.