Australia v England, 2nd Test, Adelaide, 2-6 December, 2017

horace wrote:Stokes of course should be doing time.

Stokes showed that he's not matured yet. Listening to what happened that night i get him going after one of the men but he should have stopped way earlier than he did. England have already paid the price but i'm not sure freezing him out of the entire tour will make him a better or more grown-up human being. He already gets it that he's fooked up and i say let him play again at Perth onwards and face the courts when and if it comes. Keep sport and life/politics separate as much as possible.

lardbucket wrote:

horace wrote:

lardbucket wrote:didn't like Vince though

Vaughan does not want any Pom batsman whose surname starts with"V".

Vince Vaughan (sic) might be a better option.

Vaughan was championing Vince when he didn’t even seem to be on anyone’s radar before the squad was announced. Rumoured to share an agent... has he turned this quickly?

whitburn wrote:

horace wrote:Stokes of course should be doing time.

Stokes showed that he's not matured yet. Listening to what happened that night i get him going after one of the men but he should have stopped way earlier than he did. England have already paid the price but i'm not sure freezing him out of the entire tour will make him a better or more grown-up human being. He already gets it that he's fooked up and i say let him play again at Perth onwards and face the courts when and if it comes. Keep sport and life/politics separate as much as possible.

So if Jack the Ripper had been a demon fast bowler and handy middle order bat, he was selectable? The notion that sport is somehow separate from life-politics-crime is fatuous fairy floss.