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Post by whitburn on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 09:26

Only the weather can save India now. Or are England capable of 96 all out?

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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by Bradman on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 09:40

More than capable in these conditions.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by beamer on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 09:55

Forecast looks better for today, 200 should be more than achievable... then bowl them out for 100 again and the gameís effectively won in a day and a bit Wink

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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by skully on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 10:20

tricycle wrote:
Red wrote:India shown up again as FTBs.
Don't think many teams would've scored much yesterday. The bowling was that relentless.

Tend to agree, t. Generally great line and length to maximise use of conditions.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by beamer on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 10:41

Jimmy is close to unplayable in those conditions, no sign of his powers fading at 36. He could break Pidgeís career wickets record for a seamer this series, and the 600 mark and Apple must be in his sights, injury permitting.

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Post by beamer on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 10:50

I suspect Warneís record tally for a bowler is beyond his reach though Wink

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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by Bradman on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 11:34

And obviously Murali's record is out of reach for actual bowlers.
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Post by beamer on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 12:01

Root 1 off 20 balls, donít think Iíve seen that before. Usually he will have 20 on the board by now even though you donít remember him playing a shot in anger...

Best chance of winning this may be to get to somewhere around 200, throw the bat or declare, and get them back in after tea.

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Post by furriner on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 16:48

I say declare a conspiracy and come home.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by beamer on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 17:38

India were right in this just after lunch, with England five down and a slim lead. Now only the rain can save them.

A shame for Bairstow to fall short of joining the Brummie Botham in three figures... thought that might be a declaration when the camera went to the balcony, but it appears not.

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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by taipan on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 17:41

Time to chuck bat
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by taipan on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 18:07

Another poor light decision.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by whitburn on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 20:07

taipan wrote:Another poor light decision.

Indeed, do you or anyone else know why this rule is still in place? If the batters want to carry on surely it's their decision, or rather should be. I heard once it's about fielders having to field under floodlights. So how do they survive in day-nighters? It's pure horlicks.

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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by beamer on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 20:42

whitburn wrote:
taipan wrote:Another poor light decision.

Indeed, do you or anyone else know why this rule is still in place? If the batters want to carry on surely it's their decision, or rather should be. I heard once it's about fielders having to field under floodlights. So how do they survive in day-nighters? It's pure horlicks.
Well, itís the red ball that you canít pick out of a dark sky I suppose. Unless they change ball and clothing as the sky darkens itís a tricky one to regulate. But we get a lot more early stoppages than when it was the batsmenís call.

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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by Big Dog on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 22:05

Woakes is putting forward a pretty good case for being retained even if Stokes becomes available.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by Bradman on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 22:05

Yeah the lights only light up the ground. I'd be keen to bat on when I could hit the balls recklessly in the air with impugnity.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by skully on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 00:06

Big Dog wrote:Woakes is putting forward a pretty good case for being retained even if Stokes becomes available.

Aye, he's clearly proved to be a more than adequate replacement. Well done him on his maiden Test ton.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by Red on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 00:35

India is a faux #1.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by skully on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 01:48

India's showing in seamy conditions highlights just how difficult it is to be a genuine world no.1 at the great game (Tests).

Only the monster Windies side of the 80s and Aus at its very best in the 2000s have managed to beat all countries in all conditions (home and away).
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by whitburn on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 06:29

Home and away tests. Are the conditions really that different in every single country? I get a turning pitch and one that seams around and we all know what rain in the air does, but is a flat track in Australia with even bounce really that different to one in SA or even Pakistan for that matter? Isn't a 400 pitch a 400 pitch wherever it is? Kumar Sangakkara said recently on tv commentary that he loved playing overseas tests because it's 22 yards wherever you are and being a top order batsman at the highest level on earth means you have to be able to play on any pitch not just the one you live near. Or words to that effect. England are dire away from home and i really don't get why..

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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by taipan on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 06:45

whitburn wrote:Home and away tests. Are the conditions really that different in every single country? I get a turning pitch and one that seams around and we all know what rain in the air does, but is a flat track in Australia with even bounce really that different to one in SA or even Pakistan for that matter? Isn't a 400 pitch a 400 pitch wherever it is? Kumar Sangakkara said recently on tv commentary that he loved playing overseas tests because it's 22 yards wherever you are and being a top order batsman at the highest level on earth means you have to be able to play on any pitch not just the one you live near. Or words to that effect. England are dire away from home and i really don't get why..

Oddly Sanga averaged well below 40 in India SA and WI.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by Bradman on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 08:26

whitburn wrote:Home and away tests. Are the conditions really that different in every single country? I get a turning pitch and one that seams around and we all know what rain in the air does, but is a flat track in Australia with even bounce really that different to one in SA or even Pakistan for that matter? Isn't a 400 pitch a 400 pitch wherever it is? Kumar Sangakkara said recently on tv commentary that he loved playing overseas tests because it's 22 yards wherever you are and being a top order batsman at the highest level on earth means you have to be able to play on any pitch not just the one you live near. Or words to that effect. England are dire away from home and i really don't get why..

never been in india or summer or England in summer or brisbane in summer or melbourne in summer or capetown v joberg?
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by taipan on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 11:34

300 or a wicket for the declaration?
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by taipan on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 11:37

Was pretty obvious.
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Re: England v India, 2nd Test, Lords, 9-13 August, 2018

Post by beamer on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 11:56

Could have gone half an hour earlier...

A pair for Chuck, I expect Shitcar to be back for Trent Bridge. Jimmyís 100th Lordís wicket, only (the original) Chuck has done that on a Test ground (three, in his case!)

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