Stephen Fleming

Nice bloke....let's have a nice thread......

{From the Test thread}

Ended up with an average over 40 which means that the only players to have scored more than 5503 Test runs at an average less than 40 are Poms.

that is a sensational bit of info JGK...how come the poms specialiase in persisting with very ordinairy batsmen for years ??????(your views english forumers?)

Scored 50s in his last 2 innings. But would still end up in losing team in his last 2 tests.

SF has been a great servant of NZ Cricket

horace wrote:SF has been a great servant of NZ Cricket

And not bad-looking, either. Sad to see him go.

From cricinfo,

Stephen Fleming holds the New Zealand records for

1) most Test caps (111; Richard Hadlee is next with 86),

2) most runs (7047 before the third Test at Napier; Martin Crowe is next with 5444),

3) most half-centuries (44; Nathan Astle is next with 24),

4) most catches (171, exactly 100 ahead of the next man, Martin Crowe), and

5) most Tests as captain (80; John Reid next with 34).

Just about the only major New Zealand batting record Fleming doesn't hold is the one for most Test centuries - he made 9, and stands behind Martin Crowe (17), John Wright (12) and Nathan Astle (11).

Just fell short of the WR for catches too.

best international captain since mark taylor

JGK wrote:Just fell short of the WR for catches too.

Not a bad effort for someone who slipped to the likes of Tuffey, Wiseman and Vettori

Were my eyes deceiving me or was Flemings 50 to a 100 conversion rate 9 from 54?

Jeez, to think of all the stick Ian Bell gets yet this guy's a hero. If I was Sherm I'd be going through the family tree with a fine tooth comb looking for a NZ connection.

Geoffrey Trueman wrote:Were my eyes deceiving me or was Flemings 50 to a 100 conversion rate 9 from 54?

Jeez, to think of all the stick Ian Bell gets yet this guy's a hero. If I was Sherm I'd be going through the family tree with a fine tooth comb looking for a NZ connection.

You'd be a talentless ginga cock-sucker with a very limited future . . .

Geoffrey Trueman wrote:Were my eyes deceiving me or was Flemings 50 to a 100 conversion rate 9 from 54?

Jeez, to think of all the stick Ian Bell gets yet this guy's a hero. If I was Sherm I'd be going through the family tree with a fine tooth comb looking for a NZ connection.

If you take out minnows it is far worse.

Geoffrey Trueman wrote:

Jeez, to think of all the stick Ian Bell gets yet this guy's a hero.

It's NZ, they thrive on mediocrity

JGK wrote:

Geoffrey Trueman wrote:Were my eyes deceiving me or was Flemings 50 to a 100 conversion rate 9 from 54?

Jeez, to think of all the stick Ian Bell gets yet this guy's a hero. If I was Sherm I'd be going through the family tree with a fine tooth comb looking for a NZ connection.

If you take out minnows it is far worse.

The only player with a worse conversation rate and at least he had the excuse of being a F.. C... who needed a rest after scoring 60

Were my eyes deceiving me or was Flemings 50 to a 100 conversion rate 9 from 54?

His conversion rate of converting tons in double tons was quite good though. Out of those 9 tons, 3 were double tons (274*, 262, and 202) and 1 was near double ton (192) which means he was capable of concentrating for long periods of time though wasn't consistent enough.

SG wrote:

Were my eyes deceiving me or was Flemings 50 to a 100 conversion rate 9 from 54?

His conversion rate of converting tons in double tons was quite good though. Out of those 9 tons, 3 were double tons (274*, 262, and 202) and 1 was near double ton (192) which means he was capable of concentrating for long periods of time though wasn't consistent enough.

Or that he cashed in on the very few occasions conditions were absolutely in his favour.

horace wrote:best international captain since mark taylor

... and most respected.

**blimey ... I need a drink ... I agreed with the Roman !! **

Good player for NZ, never really rated him though.

doremi wrote:Good player for NZ, never really rated him though.

Did anyone?

Fleming talking about getting his average in '40s and his low no. of test tons,

I am satisfied with 40 on the chest. It sets you apart, in terms of New Zealand batters anyway, but as a batsman I'll always feel I underachieved because I couldn't convert my starts, and I'll never know why. Sometimes I was the master of my own failings, other times it just wasn't meant to be.

"Even if I'd converted a quarter or a half [of my fifties] I'm up into the 20-25 centuries category which, as we know, is pretty good going," he said. "I'll always rue that fact and wonder why, but I guess there are bigger things out there so it won't last too long. When I take time to reflect, I'll be satisfied to have 4 in front of my average, but it would have been nice to chalk up ten hundreds, and have a crack at saving this game."

A modest and considerate reflection - Phlegm certainly comes over as a nice guy.
Firm, fair and thoiughtful.

Re poor conversion rates - of batsmen averaging over 37.50 in Tests and who have scored a ton, the three with the worst conversion rates are all Kiwis - Coney, Richo and Flem.

tac wrote:

SG wrote:

Were my eyes deceiving me or was Flemings 50 to a 100 conversion rate 9 from 54?

His conversion rate of converting tons in double tons was quite good though. Out of those 9 tons, 3 were double tons (274*, 262, and 202) and 1 was near double ton (192) which means he was capable of concentrating for long periods of time though wasn't consistent enough.

Or that he cashed in on the very few occasions conditions were absolutely in his favour.

Not quite fair - he may well have ended up with the highest score for NZ as well had he not declared when he was on 274, about 20 short of the record if my memory serves me correctly.

299's the record, I believe - by Mr Crowe.