Re: Interesting article thread (non cricket related).

[lardbucket]

F**k theology

Nice sig ...

[lardbucket]

Pity the Maya didn't survive to see all this expected peace.....

The Maya were slaughtered and decimated

So 90% survived?

... probably wasted, taips.

[*Buckaroo*]

... probably wasted, taips.

Once you destroy a people's culture and their will to survive. They will get wasted anyways. Not every culture is resilitient, Mayans never recovered from the Spanish assault.

[eowyn]

... probably wasted, taips.

Once you destroy a people's culture and their will to survive. They will get wasted anyways. Not every culture is resilitient, Mayans never recovered from the Spanish assault.

It was.......

[*Buckaroo*]

Couple more images:

Image 1
image 2

[lardbucket]

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's ... revolving ...

[*Buckaroo*]

http://cycle-of-time.net/images/gizagrid12astro.JPG

The important difference between this diagram and the similar one
pictured earlier, is that Khafre's causeway, which has the Sphinx
positioned at its end point, now marks Leo 0°. The Sphinx, of course,
has the head of a man with the body of a lion, and Leo is the
astrological symbol of the lion. What this means is that we now have a
"lock" that ties together the Precession of the Equinox with the layout
of the pyramids of Egypt.

http://cycle-of-time.net/images/gizagridtriangleYUGA.JPG

[Gary 111]

I've heard the Indian betting syndicates have fixed the whole solar eclipse anyway. Will probably be delayed until 2013, and then Pakistan will win it.

[Brass Monkey]

I've heard the Indian betting syndicates have fixed the whole solar eclipse anyway. Will probably be delayed until 2013, and then Pakistan will win it.

[lardbucket]

I've heard the Indian betting syndicates have fixed the whole solar eclipse anyway. Will probably be delayed until 2013, and then Pakistan will win it.

Aye, 4-0.

[lardbucket]

karticle?

[furriner]

It's funny until someone like this comes into a position of influence. Germany, 1930s. Iran, Ahmadinejad. Then it becomes frightening.

[lardbucket]

It's funny until someone like this comes into a position of influence. Germany, 1930s. Iran, Ahmadinejad. The Enghlish Selection panel, David Graveney. Then it becomes frightening.

Sage

[furriner]

[furriner]

You think Graveney is waiting for the planets to align in 2012?

[*Buckaroo*]

Saturday, 07/07/07
As Mayan 'Year Zero' nears, it inspires talk of spiritual rebirth

By RAY WADDLE

Opinion

Humanity
is weary. Science is poisoning us, religion dividing us. Earth yearns
for transformation. Does the world float closer toward chaos — or
toward the Mayan moment?

More than a thousand years ago, the
Maya people of Central America charted a 5,126-year calendar and, after
gazing skyward and doing the math, saw fit to end it abruptly in 2012,
a termination point of the current world cycle.


They didn't
know we'd become a civilization of software, world war and Paris
Hilton, but they reckoned the world by now would be ready for a fresh
start, a spiritual facelift, Year Zero. It's
hard to blame them for thinking so.

And
so, five years out from the big date (around Dec. 21, 2012),
anticipation grows for the latest dream of a New Age a-coming. (See The
New York Times article last Sunday, which notes books like 2012: The
Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck and Maya Cosmogenesis 2012:
The True Meaning of the Maya Calendar End Date by John Major Jenkins.)

The
date coincides with a rare alignment of the sun and the Milky Way's
midsection. It happens every 26,000 years. It's hard to know how Mayan
stargazers of 900 A.D. could predict this astronomic convergence — if
they did so, or cared. Amateurs and experts debate arcane details of
calendar accuracies and Mayan intentions. But supporters ascribe hugely
mysterious ramifications for human life to 2012. Many cast it as a
benign earthly rendezvous with eternity, a grinding halt to negative
human impulses, the reconciliation of opposites, an outbreak of peace.

'Convergence' redux

These
phrases echo the "Harmonic Convergence" of 20 years ago, which marked a
25-year countdown to 2012. This New Age peace initiative was lampooned
as naive and weightless (the "moronic convergence"), but it enlivened a
collective dream of alternative spirituality that persists in today's
millennial climate of terrorism and ecological anxiety.

Surely
the longing for Maya-minded renewal suggests a deficit of big visions
in post-Y2K life. Marxism lost credibility after the Soviet disaster.
Biblical Armageddon, after so many false claims, goes on holiday. We're
left with globalization, anti-globalization and a passion for
text-messaging. Religions thrive and agitate, but they send
contradictory signals: They enlarge horizons of global compassion … and
give people reason for tribal hatreds.

Are the Maya saviors?
Scholarly argument says these Mesoamerica ancients would regard 2012 as
a celebratory moment, not a stagy endtime intersection.

And New
Age vibes, accelerated evolution, sudden leaps from the third dimension
to the fifth – these 2012 phrases sound both too vague and too
technical for overhauling the human condition.

But lacking other
news, other coordinates, the connoisseurs of 2012 are daring to dream
ambitious dreams of reconciliation, maybe because no one else will.

URL

[*Buckaroo*]

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20070814/FEATURES/708140597

'It's like a big lightbulb switches on'
As the 20-year anniversary of the Harmonic Convergence approaches, adherents hope the populace is focused on the year 2012.

BY BILLY COX



In
the late Cold War era, before the dawn of the World Wide Web, the
Harmonic Convergence generated sociological magnetic fields from
Stonehenge to Myakka River State Park.

On Aug. 16-17, 1987,
across mountaintops, seashores and flatlands, untold numbers of
Earthlings found themselves drawn like iron filings to pray, dance,
meditate, sing and emit good vibes to promote global harmony.

The
catalyst was a New Age author named Jose Arguelles, whose ruminations
on American Indian cosmology became a bestseller in "The Mayan Factor."

Within
a few years, seismic shifts were recorded. The Iran-Iraq war ended. The
Russian army withdrew from Afghanistan. Apartheid disintegrated in
South Africa. The Berlin Wall fell. The Soviet Union collapsed.

Even
the cynics who dismissed the event as the "moronic convergence" were
caught flat-footed by these rapid realignments of power.

So what happened to all those high hopes?

Nearly
six years after suicide jetliners brought down the World Trade Center,
two wars are leeching blood, treasure and stature from the United
States; terrorism fueled by religious fundamentalism is accelerating;
Russia is reverting to authoritarian rule and polar icecaps are
contracting beneath runaway greenhouse gases.

"We saw the light
then, but there was also the other side," says Zan Benham, of Sarasota.
"Dark pushes the light. It's kind of like a wound; before it can heal,
it has to come to the fore. Before the Earth can be restored, the
clutter has to be cleaned out first."

Benham, a certified
hypnotherapist, counselor and Reiki master, is undeterred by the grim
headlines now splattering across the news. As the 20-year anniversary
of the Harmonic Convergence approaches, she and half a dozen
like-minded optimists have converged once more to contemplate what they
insist was a glimpse of the future.

The venue is the home of
artist Jo Mooy. She publishes an online, metaphysical newsletter called
"StarSoundings Journal," which offers periodic updates on local,
esoteric goings-on (new moon meditations, healing classes), celestial
conjunctions (meteor showers, lunar eclipses) and testimonials about
how the universe responds proportionately to appeals for guidance.

One
of her colorful silk Mandalas -- a sacred circle in Sanskrit -- is
draped over the living room TV screen like a funeral shroud. Mooy
enjoys watching the occasional documentary on the tube, but is wary of
the medium's potential for distraction.

"I just don't want that big box coming into the house," she says. "To me, it's just an electronical device."

Today's
agenda is not merely the Harmonic Convergence, but its larger context
-- the ancient Maya calendar, and its imminent conclusion, on or about
Dec. 21, 2012. The onset of 2012 is spawning a cottage industry of
books and forecasts, from transcendence to meltdowns reminiscent of the
Y2K buzz.

In a recent edition of The New York Times, Arguelles predicted "the post-2012 world will be a world of universal telepathy."
In "Apocalypse 2012," Lawrence E. Joseph outlines the collapse of
civilization beneath the weight of war, superstorms, and other natural
disasters. John Major Jenkins, author of "Maya Cosmogenesis 2012: The
True Meaning of the Maya Calendar End Date" anticipates "transformation
and renewal."

Fueling the debate are the Maya "world age
cycles." These are a complex but elegant series of repetitive,
nonlinear stanzas of time calculated during the supremacy of a
civilization whose own cities had been emptied, as if by plague, when
Spanish conquistadors marched through them in the 16th century. The
current Maya world age cycle, calculated to have begun in 3114 B.C.,
will have run its 5,126-year course five years from now.

The
pre-Columbian mathematicians were silent on the ramifications, but at
Mooy's place, the gathered prefer to accent the positive.

Norma
Martin -- like Benham, a Reiki healer -- says the Harmonic Convergence
was simply the most publicized aspect of the 25-year countdown to the
end of the world age cycle.

For instance, on Jan. 11, 1992, at
11:11 a.m., Martin invited the public to wear white and hook up at a
sacred dance circle in east Sarasota. It was called the 11:11 Planetary
Activation, an event designed "to bring us into higher dimensional
consciousness," according to Martin, and expedite telepathic
communication.

"Oh, it went on for a long time," says Martin,
adding that more than 100 people showed up. "Some stayed until
midnight. I never expected such a turnout."

The doorway for
accessing that energy, according to proponents at www.nvisible.com,
will close on Nov. 11, 2011. But even more opportunities may present
themselves between now and then.

On July 17, United Church of
Sarasota hosted an hour-long "Fire the Grid" communion, part of a
coordinated, worldwide effort to foster planetary healing by plugging
into meditative energy nodes.

"The Earth has a grid system
that looks like a huge spider web stretched across lay lines, or energy
lines," says Unity co-pastor Dorothy Ann Jackson. "This energy has a
vibration, and vibration has a frequency. In your mind, you send out a
signal and draw everything that's on that particular frequency.

"Whenever
huge groups of people come together, you can put out a positive wave of
vibration that reaches a peak. There's a plateau, then an ebb, and then
another flow. What you think is projected out there."

Mooy's
guests are in harmony about this point, too: Sarasota is a key vector
on that grid. Maybe it has something to do with the quartz crystal sand
at Siesta Key. It is where they often go to meditate.

"Crystals
are transmitters as well as receivers," says Rose Lettiere, a Sarasota
feng shui consultant. "They hold thought, they form energy, they talk.
They feed us what we feed it. And when we have a collection of
like-minded souls or beings gathered for the same purpose, it's like a
big lightbulb switches on."

In fact, Mooy says Dec. 21, 2012, is
not so much a date as a consciousness whose arrival will be as smooth
or as rocky as individual preparations for it. Despite the apparent
chaos in the world, she says the conditions for uniting its inhabitants
behind a turnaround are considerably better than in 1987.

"New
technology has become available, and that's the Internet," Mooy says.
"People found out about the Harmonic Convergence through flyers and
word of mouth. We are much more connected today through technology.

"We are the vanguard of that new human that we will become."

[Brass Monkey]

I immeditately reject any article with the word 'math' in.

[*Buckaroo*]

The ancient Hindu and Mayan civilizations exhibit other interesting
convergences. Hindu records say that a member of a great race which
preceded ours, a highly-developed personage known as Asuramaya,
learned all the basic cosmic cycles and used his knowledge to determine
the durations of the various geological and cyclical periods of human
evolution. The chronology and computations of their still used
Tamil calendar, say the Brahmans, are based upon the works of Asuramaya
and upon carefully maintained collateral zodiacal records. Their
most ancient extant work on astronomy, the Surya Siddhanta, says that
Asuramaya lived toward the end of the Krita-yuga, a former age that
ended approximately 2,165,000 years before the present. This would
place Asuramaya at something less than 2.5 million years ago.

The
name Asuramaya is a compound of the two Sanskrit words, Asura and Maya.
The personage himself is Maya, the prefix Asura signifying that Maya
was of the Asuras, a name given to a certain caste or people of the
great prehistoric race that preceded our own, or Aryan humanity. The
word Asura derives from surya, Sanskrit for the sun. In accordance with
the archaic Indian manner of describing the matter, the astronomer
named Maya was said to have gained his knowledge from studying the sun.
The sun and its encircling planets also occupied the central attention
of the Mayan astronomer caste in Central America.

The early
Hindu thinkers visualized the passage of a race from its birth to its
close as embracing four distinct phases or yugas, and they said that
races overlapped each other in duration. According to their
calculations, the world, in other words our present race, entered the
fourth of its phases, which they term the Kali yuga or Iron age, in the
year 3102 BC. This event coincided with the death of Krishna , whom
they describe as an avatara or incarnation of a lofty divine-spiritual
being or messiah. His departure from the earth is said to have ushered
in new and different conditions affecting our race. Modern students of
the ancient Mayan numerical glyphs have found that the dating of major
series of events noted on Mayan stelae invariably give such reckonings
in terms of the time elapsed since a date known as 4 Ahau 8 Cumhu. They
know that for the Maya chroniclers this date represented a commencement
point in time-reckoning of such awesome magnitude that it was central
to all else in subsequent Maya history; but they don't know what it
meant or why it was so important to the latter.

Among other
ancient nations only one, the Hindu peoples of the Indian subcontinent,
is known to have developed a system of calendrics accounting for such
vast periods of time.

For computing the age of the earth
and various geological and other epochs, as well as the age of mankind,
the learned Brahman caste still employs a Tamil calendar derived from
archaic astronomical data, known as the "Tirukkanda Panchanga" (cf. The
Secret Doctrine, 2:49-51).


This calendar contains a
calculation of something over three hundred millions of years for the
age of the present earth since sedimentation occurred, and a period of
somewhat more than eighteen million years since the first appearance of
our mankind.

The Hindus are also the only older people besides
the Mayans who are known to have employed the concept of zero in their
mathematics.

When it comes to human history, however, our
scholars hesitate and grow uncertain about man as civilized homo
sapiens even as late as 10,000 BC, whereas Hindu savants routinely
regard him as at least eighteen million years old -- and if we could
read more of the Mayan historical records we might find in them a
similar calculation.

The Mayans invented a solar "civil" year of
365 days. We know, however, that they made calendrical emendations and
developed a more precise notion of solar time than that embodied in our
own calendar.
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Pacific.htm

[*Buckaroo*]

I immeditately reject any article with the word 'math' in.

How can you calculate astrology without maths ?

[lardbucket]

I immeditately reject any article with the word 'math' in.

How can you calculate astrology without maths ?

'calculate astrology'?

Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

[Brass Monkey]

How can you calculate astrology without maths ?

I repeat "I immeditately reject any article with the word 'math' in."

[Gary 111]

You think Graveney is waiting for the planets to align in 2012?

We tried selection by planets under Ted Dexter. It doesn't work.

For some reason it was written in the stars that David Gower shouldn't tour India but Paul Jarvis should.

Effigies of Nostradamus and Mystic Meg were burned all over Basingstoke and Southampton in response.

[lardbucket]

Agree re 'Math' ... aye, it's anathema ... or a Nath enema ... or however it's spelt.

btw, it's immediately, unless you were talking about some sort of instant yet strangely taoist thought process

[lardbucket]

You think Graveney is waiting for the planets to align in 2012?

We tried selection by planets under Ted Dexter. It doesn't work.

It was interesting for a while though.

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