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Post by The One Sat 27 Oct 2007, 13:07

first time since 1999 i think. his replacement for the last odi karthik too is dropped, sehwag in

one bad series and he gets the axe. feel sorry for him, what a fall from a few months ago at the oval

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Post by CT Sat 27 Oct 2007, 14:16

no loyalty there.
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Post by Ash Sat 27 Oct 2007, 14:17

looking at the facts, it seems harsh (ie a good series in england) but dravid really stuck out like a sore thumb in the aus series - he looked out of place and had the body language of a man who'd been left behind by the odi game. ganguly ought to be next to go imo - hopefully he'll retire himself but cant see gangers doing that.

gambhirs 20-20 heroics saving his place. badrinath or tiwary may have been the better choice.

what about this new guy praveen kumar - any good? been taking wickets in the challenger series but not very quick? but he is an all-rounder i suppose.
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Post by The One Sat 27 Oct 2007, 14:45

not very quick is his problem. bit like bose, i dont see them being too successful at the international level. 1st match 1st ball he bowled a HUGE inswinger, reminiscent of the pakistani u-19 bowler in that world cup final

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Post by doremi Sat 27 Oct 2007, 15:24

Hardly the end for Dravid. He'll be back. Gautam Gambhir isn't going to keep him out for any significant amount of time. Or this could be the much touted rotation we've been hearing about.

Now, if they had picked Badrinath, he could potentially have been some kind of replacement for Dravid. Not Gambhir.

Praveen Kumar will not be the strike bowler. Wha works for him is the fact that he is a good enough bat to have opened for both UP and India A.
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Post by doremi Sat 27 Oct 2007, 15:32

So we now have

Sachin
Sourav
Gambhir
Uthappa
Sehwag
Praveen Kumar

as openers in the squad. Rolling Eyes
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Post by trident Sat 27 Oct 2007, 17:34

atlast sehwag is in.

the selection of praveen is one of those *for show* that domestic performnaces are recognised.(joginder,bhupinder,dinesh mongia) but its a waste of time and annoying.

i don't see a problem in dravid continuing till the next WC until someone else like rohit shows as much solidity in technique in playing an anchoring role. But it does not hurt to give a try. Rohit certainly has potential.

Tiwary should have been in front of Gambhir. but then this selection comittee is likely to go by short term factors than strategic calls and vision.

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Post by doremi Sat 27 Oct 2007, 20:33

Badrinath should have been in frot of everyone else. Praveen Kumar could be useful, he's much better than Joginder with the bat and probably with the ball too.

Tiwary, Rohit Shama and Parthiv Patel did look classy in the two matches, especially the first two.
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Post by Ash Sat 27 Oct 2007, 21:12

rainas coming good too finally. gonna be tough for dravid to get back in the side.
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Post by The One Sat 27 Oct 2007, 23:41

doremi wrote:So we now have

Sachin
Sourav
Gambhir
Uthappa
Sehwag
Praveen Kumar

as openers in the squad. Rolling Eyes

yeah kind of weird. dropping dravid was a bold move, but kind of stymied by the fact they brought sehwag in as replacement. surely if they want to back youth sehwag was the wrong choice? esp with the surfeit of openers. what is going to be the batting order? maybe they should have gone with tiwary instead

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Post by DJ_Smerk Sun 28 Oct 2007, 01:34

It doesn't look right without Dravid not being there.

They'll regret dropping him. IMO he'll need the match practice for the Pakistan test series and later on the ever more testing, Australia 4 Test Series.

I'm sorry to say but yet again, BCCI have dropped the ball. Dravid is key to India's success.
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Post by HH_pink Sun 28 Oct 2007, 01:49

Sehwag is by no means old. You're certainly not suggesting that the selectors shut the door on him? When he's in form, he's just c.l.a.s.s. So if he's back in form, it's madness to keep him out for long.

And he should be picked for the tests too. Shouldn't have been dropped there in the first place.
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Post by The One Sun 28 Oct 2007, 05:47

what has he done to suggest he is in form? to be picked in front of badrinath or tiwary?

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Post by doremi Sun 28 Oct 2007, 06:30

DJ_Smerk wrote:It doesn't look right without Dravid not being there.

They'll regret dropping him. IMO he'll need the match practice for the Pakistan test series and later on the ever more testing, Australia 4 Test Series.

I'm sorry to say but yet again, BCCI have dropped the ball. Dravid is key to India's success.

The season's just starting, he'll have match oractice if he wants it.
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Post by Henry Sun 28 Oct 2007, 06:52

It's a fair enough decision. India's ODI form hasnt improved since the world cup, whilst a group of vibrant young players showed what can be possible at the T20. At a time when Dravid should have been switched on and determined to prove that he belonged ahead of the younger players banging on the door, he looked dazed and disinterested.
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Post by HH_pink Sun 28 Oct 2007, 07:46

The One wrote:what has he done to suggest he is in form? to be picked in front of badrinath or tiwary?

He has experience in his favour. And blooding youngsters in the cauldrons of Ind-Pak or Ind-Aus series is like teaching throwing infants in the deep sea to teach them how to swim (er, sound Sidhuesque? clown ). Thanks, but no thanks.
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Post by HH_pink Sun 28 Oct 2007, 07:49

Dravid and ODIs were never meant to be together. It is to his great credit that he overcame the inherent incompatibility to become an indispensable part of the team for so long (even though he took his time doing it).
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Post by Henry Sun 28 Oct 2007, 08:21

He has experience in his favour. And blooding youngsters in the cauldrons of Ind-Pak or Ind-Aus series is like teaching throwing infants in the deep sea to teach them how to swim (er, sound Sidhuesque? clown ). Thanks, but no thanks.

They've got to learn somewhere. Blooding them against Bangladesh wont do them any good either.
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Post by tac Sun 28 Oct 2007, 08:25

Henry wrote:
He has experience in his favour. And blooding youngsters in the cauldrons of Ind-Pak or Ind-Aus series is like teaching throwing infants in the deep sea to teach them how to swim (er, sound Sidhuesque? clown ). Thanks, but no thanks.

They've got to learn somewhere. Blooding them against Bangladesh wont do them any good either.

Henry, you have expereince with being dropped (as a child in your case), do you think Dravid can come back?
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Post by SG Mon 29 Oct 2007, 03:51

What has Sehwag done to warrant a comeback in Indian team?

Scoring 85 runs in 3 Challenger games, out of which 75 were scored in 1 game?

It wasn't as if he was doing well in Twenty20 either.

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Post by Henry Mon 29 Oct 2007, 04:10

I think they're pretty keen to take Sehwag to Australia, so they're probably just trying to ease him back into the Indian side gradually.
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Post by SG Mon 29 Oct 2007, 04:15

Even if he has not been in best of forms?

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Post by Henry Mon 29 Oct 2007, 04:17

I guess so. He's the sort of player who is only ever 2 or 3 shots away from being in top form again. Im not sure whether he should be opening the batting anymore, but he's too good a player not to be in the mix somewhere.
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Post by SG Mon 29 Oct 2007, 04:27

Whatever happens with Sehwag's batting slot, I'm pretty certain Tendulkar-Ganguly partnership will be broken pretty soon in ODIs. Not that I'm in favour of that as India scores runs only when these 2 give India a good opening stand.

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Post by doremi Mon 29 Oct 2007, 04:30

They were looking for an excuse to get him in the side. That 75 was the perfect excuse. And FWIW, I thnk he is back in form.
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