Re: UK politics thread

by skully Sat 25 Jun 2016, 14:28

And can you imagine how Putin will be salivating over the prospect of regaining the likes of Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania??

This is truly farked up the arse.

by Basil Sat 25 Jun 2016, 14:34

I'm trying to think of a worse event in British history:

Suez?
Singapore?

In the end, these came right (well, sort of) but nothing is going to save us now.

by lardbucket Sat 25 Jun 2016, 14:35

Dunkirk, Basil.

by Basil Sat 25 Jun 2016, 14:57

lardbucket wrote:Dunkirk, Basil.

If you measure Dunkirk in terms of the materiel we left behind then it was an unmitigated disaster, but in terms of the men rescued, it was a victory of sorts - guns can't fire themselves. That's why I didn't measure it.

by Big Dog Sat 25 Jun 2016, 23:01

skully wrote:Watched "London has fallen" this arvo on DVD. Seemed apt.

Good movie, BTW.

Hey, i watched it yesterday arvo too. Laughing

by JGK Sun 26 Jun 2016, 00:37

skully wrote:Dumb qunts given the right to make seismic changes to the way important World business is done. Unbelievable.

My lady's father asked "how come they didn't put a threshold on the vote?" e.g. at least 55% has to vote for "Leave" before it could be ratified, to account for cranky old qunts & bovver boys. I said "good question". I think Cameron farked up deluxe.

Indeed. Under Australian referendum rules it probably doesn't get up because only 2 of the 4 "provinces" voted Leave and if you consider that London is separate from the rest of England, only 2 of 5.

by skully Sun 26 Jun 2016, 00:46

Aye, ridiculouslessly loose referendum rules, given the consequences. Cameron asleep at the wheel.

by lardbucket Sun 26 Jun 2016, 01:03

Ridiculouslessly? What? Mekong fused.

by Bradman Sun 26 Jun 2016, 01:36

Early morning "pick me up" gone too far perhaps?

by JGK Sun 26 Jun 2016, 03:24

I wonder if Brits are waking up this morning, looked left, looked right and realised they've spent the night in the Farage - Boris sandwich.

by lardbucket Sun 26 Jun 2016, 03:31

More spit roast than sandwich ...

by JGK Sun 26 Jun 2016, 04:18

Interesting take on it all by a commenter on the Graun...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/25/brexit-live-emergency-meetings-eu-uk-leave-vote#comment-77205935

Spoiler:

by skully Sun 26 Jun 2016, 04:25

Hmm, very interesting. Perhaps all is not lost.

by Red Sun 26 Jun 2016, 04:26

One wonder if the 28% who didn't vote woke up the next morning wondering WTF!

by taipan Sun 26 Jun 2016, 08:38

Red wrote:One wonder if the 28% who didn't vote woke up the next morning wondering WTF!

One would think that if they didn't care enough to vote in the first place, they WGAF now.

by Guest Sun 26 Jun 2016, 09:04

skully wrote:Hmm, very interesting. Perhaps all is not lost.

To be honest skulls even if we don't end up leaving the EU, I feel that the country is already lost.

When going out and about I've been seeing it through different eyes now, since the result people are loudly and proudly telling anyone foreign looking to "go back home" in the streets.

You think it can't happen near you but I read a story of it happening just down the road from me, where there is a Polish supermarket. Saw a car with a Polish flag flying yesterday and thought "good on you mate" but then in the evening read that in my area every known Polish person has been sent threats through their letterboxes telling them to go back home "Polish scum".

It's not a nice country at the moment, I'm not sure whether it's just my eyes that have changed, it feels like a nasty, spiteful and massively divided place to live at the moment.

Have mentioned moving already and still very serious about this.

by taipan Sun 26 Jun 2016, 09:23

If you moved to Scotland you would be the foreigner.

by Guest Sun 26 Jun 2016, 09:56

I'm part Scottish and can pull off a flawless accent. They'd never suspect a thing.

Plus whenever I've visited before they have been very welcoming in every town I've been to.

by horace Sun 26 Jun 2016, 17:38

taipan wrote:And now it is biting me in the arse. My small portfolio has dropped by over 3%.

Fark know what is happening in my pension funds.

.........small price to pay for the sundowner sodden expat...shite, Nige has the servants out lighting fireworks to celebrate a free Pomgolia.

by skully Mon 27 Jun 2016, 00:51

vilkrang wrote:
skully wrote:Hmm, very interesting. Perhaps all is not lost.
To be honest skulls even if we don't end up leaving the EU, I feel that the country is already lost.

When going out and about I've been seeing it through different eyes now, since the result people are loudly and proudly telling anyone foreign looking to "go back home" in the streets.

You think it can't happen near you but I read a story of it happening just down the road from me, where there is a Polish supermarket. Saw a car with a Polish flag flying yesterday and thought "good on you mate" but then in the evening read that in my area every known Polish person has been sent threats through their letterboxes telling them to go back home "Polish scum".

It's not a nice country at the moment, I'm not sure whether it's just my eyes that have changed, it feels like a nasty, spiteful and massively divided place to live at the moment.

Have mentioned moving already and still very serious about this.

Very sorry to hear it, vilks.

by lardbucket Mon 27 Jun 2016, 03:17

You could do worse than move to Scotland, IMO.

You could even head out here ...

by Bradman Mon 27 Jun 2016, 03:41

Yeah. Move to Perth, you'll feel right at home.

by JGK Mon 27 Jun 2016, 05:05

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

by JGK Mon 27 Jun 2016, 06:38

Brexit leaders are walking back some of their biggest promises

June 27, 2016 - 10:37AM

After Brexit, UK gripped by profound case of denial
In the days after Britain's momentous decision to withdraw from the European Union, there has been much talk of voter's remorse. Some who voted in favour of a British exit have said they merely wanted to lodge a protest vote and hadn't expected the "leave" camp to actually win. Others said they had no idea that the implications of such a vote would be so dire.

But one of the biggest reasons for regret may end up being that promises made to "leave" voters by leading Brexit proponents are being walked back by those very leaders. On talk shows over the weekend, three of them in particular were confronted by flabbergasted hosts over their playing down of integral elements of the Brexit campaign.

Nigel Farage was perhaps the loudest voice calling for Britain's exit from the European Union, though he wasn't officially part of the "Leave" campaign. As leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party, he represented the isolationist, anti-immigration core of the Brexit movement. Speaking to the host of ITV's "Good Morning Britain," Farage called one of the "leave" campaign's biggest promises a "mistake," though he distanced himself from the decision to make the promise in the first place.

Host: "The 350 million pounds ($633 million) a week that we send to the EU, which we will no longer send to the EU, can you guarantee that's going to go to the NHS [Britain's National Health Service]?"

Farage: "No, I can't, and I would never have made that claim. It is one of the mistakes that, I think, the 'leave' campaign made."

Host: "Hold on a moment. That was one of your adverts."

They then sparred over whether it was the "leave" campaign's advertisement or Farage's in particular, before moving on. The advertisement was the campaign's, not Farage's.

Host: "That's why many people voted."

Farage: "They made a mistake doing that."

Host: "You're saying after 17 million people have voted for 'leave,' based — I don't know how many people voted on the basis of that advert, but that was a huge part of the propaganda —you're now saying that's a mistake?"

On "The Andrew Marr Show," another leading "leave" campaigner, Iain Duncan Smith, said that the £350-million figure was "an extrapolation" and that the campaign had never said that all of that money would go to the NHS, just a good portion of it. Many were quick to point out that the "leave" campaign had a bus emblazoned with the monetary figure and at least strongly implied that the money would be reallocated to the NHS. Smith is pictured below alongside the bus.

The Brexit vote was as much a referendum on Britain's immigration policies as anything else, so the promises made around that issue carried outsize weight. Immigration flows to Britain have been increasing, and levels of resentment are high among certain segments of the British public.

That explains the exasperation of a BBC Radio 5 host who was talking to "leave" campaigner Nigel Evans.

Host: "Was it not inferred that if you vote 'leave,' immigration would go down?"

Evans: "Well, we said we would control it, and that is the most important point."

Host: "Control it by bringing it down, Nigel?"

Evans: "No, but there are two differences here, and this is where there is some misunderstanding."

Evans goes on to offer some background on how the "leave" campaign's immigration promises were made, but the host cuts him off.

Host: "Straight question, straight answer, Nigel. Will immigration fall significantly when the UK leaves the EU?"

Suffice it to say that Evans does not have a straight answer.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/brexit-leaders-are-walking-back-some-of-their-biggest-promises-20160627-gpside.html#ixzz4CktCQ8DE
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by skully Mon 27 Jun 2016, 06:56

Deary me, what a cluster fark!! Shocked

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