Re: Freedom of speech.

by Invader Zim Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:55 am

So you're arguing that nobody should say anything in public.

Idiot chick.

by Lara Lara Laughs Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:57 am

Would they? I'm not sure if they would. "There has been a [i]rise[/t] in racial attacks" wherever the BNP have campaigned and won. Not a sustained level but a rise.

by Lara Lara Laughs Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:58 am

Invader Zim wrote:So you're arguing that nobody should say anything in public.

Idiot chick.

No. Like I said, these aren't my views. I'm playing devil's advocate. Trying to get a debate going.

by filosofee Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:59 am

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:I'm playing devil's advocate by the way but I think you miss the point.

It's perfectly possible that Griffin speaking and inciting racial hatred will cause a racially motivated attack. It does not have to result in death, it may just result in destroying a person's life. In fact, I read an article yesterday that said:

Ms Guthrie - National Campaigner for the group Unite Against Fascism - said there had also been a rise in racial attacks whenever Nick Griffin's BNP party gained seats on local councils.

So there is a link between the BNP and racially motivated violence. It's not purely speculative. Whereas someone campaigning against the BNP attacking and killing Griffin is highly unlikely.

BNP seats, in wards, are increasing. Allowing its leader to speak exposes what he's really about and may reduce the number of people joining this party.

by tac Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:03 am

filosofee wrote:From Newsnight's report tonight, it appears that Griffin was in one room, Irving in another at Oxford Union's buildings. It's not clear what, exactly was debated/challenged, that wasn't reported on. What was, was the opinions of demonstrators outside.

LLL: I do understand your point, that hearing anti-black/gay/Jewish/trade union talk may incite some vile people to go out and cause harm, but these sorts would do so anyway.

You forgot anti-white/western/democracy . . .

by filosofee Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:04 am

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:Would they? I'm not sure if they would. "There has been a rise[/t] in racial attacks" wherever the BNP have campaigned and won. Not a sustained level but a rise.

That's what I mean, [i]campaigned and won. Campaigning is not the same as having your views challenged in a debate. They are using issues, immigration, housing, employment, in their campaigning. Hopefully, if given platforms where they can be questioned, deeply, their hatred for non-whites, non-Christians, etc., can be exposed rather than the issues they are using to gain seats.

by Lara Lara Laughs Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:05 am

Fair point, filosofee.

by filosofee Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:06 am

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:Fair point, filosofee.

Good thread, LLL.

by Invader Zim Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:07 am

LOL, whata bullshit thread.

by Lara Lara Laughs Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:29 am

You probably hear this a lot Zim, but what seems to be the problem?

by G.Wood Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:36 am

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:You probably hear this a lot Zim, but what seems to be the problem?

Isn't he allowed to exercise his freedom of speech?

by Lara Lara Laughs Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:40 am

It was a "why" question, not a "stop" statement.

by embee Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:09 pm

SPC

What if I read your posts "devil's advocating" against Merlo and decide that Merlo is evil personified and go and shoot him ...Is that your fault?

by The One Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:22 pm

most countries do have laws that allow arrest or prosecution of a person who is found to have incited violence or may cause it. griffins should be allowed to go ahead with his talk, but if he does cross the line, i.e. say something to the effect of 'beat the crap out of *insert group of choice*' then he should be dealt with as per the law

by tac Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:28 pm

Indeed, TO, freedom of speech is not freedom to incite violence.

by Invader Zim Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:29 pm

Oh yeah, fark face?!?!

by tac Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:31 pm

Invader Zim wrote:Oh yeah, fark face?!?!

Would someone in the vicinity please beat the fark out of zimmy! Please!

by Invader Zim Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:32 pm

Fark you mother farker!!!!

by tac Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:32 pm

Well your mother paid me, so why should I say no?

by Invader Zim Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:36 pm

Jokes on you, dickhead! My mothers dead!

by tac Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:38 pm

No, she wasn't that bad . . . a little cold perhaps . . .

by Invader Zim Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:40 pm

Geez, you dubbers are sick farkers!

Burn in hell, spiv boy!!

by tac Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:41 pm

Freedom of speech is a great thing . . .

by Invader Zim Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:43 pm

Next you'll be saying women deserve to get the vote.

by tac Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:45 pm

Invader Zim wrote:Next you'll be saying women deserve to get the vote.

Fark, no!

How can you give a vote to someone who can't even park a farkin car!

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