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Post by Red Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:07

http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/England-can-emulate-Aussies-20110814
"This current group of England players could become better than all
those Australian players as a team and individuals. All the signs are
good for England," he wrote in his Sunday Telegraph column.

"They have all the ingredients in place to dominate."
Vaughan and Alec Stewart agree.
The Ashes series victory in Australia earlier this year was a major
landmark and former England captain Michael Vaughan, who laid the
groundwork for their current success when sealing the home Ashes series
in 2005, is excited for the future.

"I really think this side
are going to dominate Test cricket for a period because of their
strength in depth, fitness levels, determination and the real hunger
they display," Vaughan told the BBC.

"It is not just this 11,
the depth of the 24 or 25 players England have to choose from is
fantastic - there is some great talent out there."

Fellow former
skipper Alec Stewart thinks England should win upcoming Test series'
against Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and South Africa.



Meanwhile Flower believes they have some way to go before rivalling the great Aussie and Windian teams.
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Post by skully Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:08

I think Flower is displaying the most sense of the two. Warnie is just trying to deflect the attention from his Madame Tussaud looks.
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Post by Red Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:12

skully wrote:I think Flower is displaying the most sense of the two. Warnie is just trying to deflect the attention from his Madame Tussaud looks.

A few observers said last summer that if Warne continues to be so voluble that eventually his views will not have the impact becoming of his reputation. Hildick obviously listens though, Beer was inked in the minute Warne wrote his column.
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Post by Brass Monkey Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:17

Must've got paid a pretty penny for that soundbite. We're not even clearly the best side in the world yet, let alone anything else. I don't see it personally. But time will tell. Don't know why it needs all this hype TBH. Just enjoying absolutely dismantling utter handwaving tossers like t'Indians and t'Australians.
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Post by skully Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:33

And rightly so, Dan. Moments like those are to be savoured, because the seemingly endless good times will surely come to an end at some point.
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Post by PeterCS Mon 15 Aug 2011, 10:37

Warney's a bit of an effects man when he's on the media these days though, isn't he?
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Post by beamer Mon 15 Aug 2011, 21:18

Still can't help thinking we'll be back to being sh!t within a couple of years. It's the English way, we don't do domination, unless you're talking darts, snooker or posh Olympic sports!

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Post by LeFromage Mon 15 Aug 2011, 22:26

Better to burn brightly for a fleeting moment than to dimly flicker for a lifetime.

Who said that? Might've been me just than. In which case, let's add profound and pretentious to my long list of shaggable qualities.
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Post by JKLever Mon 15 Aug 2011, 22:54

Lots of England fanboys getting all smug. Beefy, Vaughan, Stewey.
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Post by Zat Mon 15 Aug 2011, 23:40

Dello wrote:Better to burn brightly for a fleeting moment than to dimly flicker for a lifetime.

Who said that? Might've been me just than. In which case, let's add profound and pretentious to my long list of shaggable qualities.
This bloke said something similar.

Not sure which forumer/s I think he looks most like, though.

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Post by Gary 111 Tue 16 Aug 2011, 00:03

I think over the next 5 years we'll be the best side in the world, even if we never attain great status like the Windies or the Invincibles.

But the next 12 months will see us have a setback, lose the number 1 spot and be beaten by either SL, Pakistan or SA. Out of the 3 I think it might be SL.
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Post by PeterCS Tue 16 Aug 2011, 01:42

“One hour of life, crowded to the full with glorious action, and filled with noble risks, is worth whole years of those mean observances of paltry decorum, in which men steal through existence like sluggish waters through a marsh, without either honour or observation.”

(Countess Brenhilda in Count Robert of Paris, Ch. 25 (1832) by Walter Scott)
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Post by Red Tue 16 Aug 2011, 09:46

Maybe also in this context the quote "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song" is worth remembering


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Post by embee Tue 16 Aug 2011, 09:56

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Post by Growler Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:55

Red wrote:http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/England-can-emulate-Aussies-20110814

"This current group of England players could become better than all
those Australian players as a team and individuals. All the signs are
good for England," he wrote in his Sunday Telegraph column.

"They have all the ingredients in place to dominate."

As individuals I'd agree that maybe a couple of the batsmen could possibly eclipse the Australians - except maybe Ponting. I don't think that holds true for the bowlers as individuals. I believe TGM and tgm are both a level up from any of our lot. However our current attack as a whole may well be better than its Aus equivalents. We seem now to have someone able to take the "crucial wicket" when a couple of batsmen are getting set.

As a team, if we do - and it's a big if - dominate the way Australia did, part of the reason will be the dearth of decent bowlers just now. I believe that with the possible exception of SA, every test side has a weak link in their bowling attack.


Vaughan and Alec Stewart agree.

The Ashes series victory in Australia earlier this year was a major
landmark and former England captain Michael Vaughan, who laid the
groundwork for their current success when sealing the home Ashes series
in 2005, is excited for the future.

"I really think this side
are going to dominate Test cricket for a period because of their
strength in depth, fitness levels, determination and the real hunger
they display," Vaughan told the BBC.

"It is not just this 11,
the depth of the 24 or 25 players England have to choose from is
fantastic - there is some great talent out there."

Fellow former
skipper Alec Stewart thinks England should win upcoming Test series'
against Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies and South Africa.



Meanwhile Flower believes they have some way to go before rivalling the great Aussie and Windian teams.

I'd say we need to comfortably win every home series and at least draw - if not win - away for at least the next two years before even thinking of this England side as matching those great teams.
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 16 Aug 2011, 12:57

Don't know, myself Growler - McGrath, Warne, Gillespie and Kasprowicz(AN Other really) will be difficult to eclipse as a unit IMO.
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Post by PeterCS Tue 16 Aug 2011, 13:05

Again I like Flower's attitude though.
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Post by taipan Tue 16 Aug 2011, 13:07

basically this is a pile of codswallop. We will see in 5 years time what this team was made off. Bibbing them up now is just BS.
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Post by PeterCS Tue 16 Aug 2011, 13:12

BS is Warney's stock-in-trade these days.

Or media twitter, if you prefer.
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Post by taipan Tue 16 Aug 2011, 13:13

And its not helped by the shite coming out the mouths of Botham and Vaughan,
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Post by PeterCS Tue 16 Aug 2011, 13:16

He was also saying the other day that Day 3 of the third Test was about the most stultifying thing he had seen in cricket for years (or words to that effect).

Which seems a bit at odds with lauding England's performances to the skies, as at the top of this thread.

It's what Warney does best nowadays.Living for the media moment.
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Post by PeterCS Tue 16 Aug 2011, 13:19

Mick can always be relied upon to produce something both thick and cliche'd.

And Beefy flies the flag from his penis at every opportunity - so with all respect due to his towering prowess as a player (though like Flintoff's, not always used to the full), same same from him too. Bit like Warney, only even more patriotic.
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Post by Growler Tue 16 Aug 2011, 14:29

Brass Monkey wrote:Don't know, myself Growler - McGrath, Warne, Gillespie and Kasprowicz(AN Other really) will be difficult to eclipse as a unit IMO.

No arguments from me Dan .... and don't forget BLee's 300+ wickets.

That's why I think Cook, Trott & KP will be up with the best for sure, Bell & Strauss not far behind - whereas of the bowlers only Jimmy really qualifies as top drawer at the moment IMHO. Broad may, if he keeps bowling like he is. Bres may, but he's not had anyone really "get after him" as yet. Trembles is good but seems to be always broken or on the point of breaking ....
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Post by PeterCS Tue 16 Aug 2011, 14:35

And Swann?

Or is this just about quicks and bats? Wink
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Post by Growler Tue 16 Aug 2011, 14:56

I'm not sure Swanny's stats at the end of his career will do him justice. He's very often got that "crucial wicket" I referred to earlier ... especially at the beginning of a spell.

He wasn't helped of course by Ashley Giles being an establishment favourite for so long - then Monty's star was in the ascendancy.
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