So, you're in a group of nine........

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:Maybe he's talking about Hamlet.

Ophelia Titties?

Before you tumbled me, you promised me to wed.

Said Hamlet to Orphelia
I shall make a sketch of thee
but which pencil should I use -
2B or not 2B?

Lara Lara Laughs wrote:tac's trying to say that the word paedophilia literally means "a sexual attraction to children".

It's possible to be a paedophile and not be a criminal. Until you act upon your impulses and desires by abusing a child or downloading child pornography, you have not committed a crime and are therefore not a criminal.

You can walk around with disgusting thoughts about children in your mind to your hearts content. Just like you can walk around murdering people in your mind. Neither makes you a criminal.

Nicely explained, LLL.

We're not all going to agree on a solution to this case and cases like it because it's such an emotive subject. Remember too the judges can't be emotive about these things, would you want that job?

Hamlet, Ophelia, isn't bringing insect into it all now? Or even incest.....

Ummmm, Green eggs and Hamlet.

LLL -
Put that way, I understand and perfectly accept the argument.

tic-tac's rather sinister defence/explanation did however need tweaking.

My original point specifically concerned Pink's assertion that :
"the assumption that a person that once commits a crime is more likely to repeat it than not I don't think has a sound basis" ....
I merely stated that that did not apply to paedophiles.

tac's immediate overly emotional defence that paedophiles have a "sexual disorder" ... ad nauseum ... peppered with references "farkwits" and "dumbfarks" and references to filosofee etc., seems to me to be a tad OTT reflecting, as it does, his rather infantile single cell brain.

Nevertheless ... moving on.

JGK wrote:Said Hamlet to Orphelia
I shall make a sketch of thee
but which pencil should I use -
2B or not 2B?

Nice. Another afficionado.

Sorry. Haven't read this thread bar the 1st page, however, I find that a) slating a whole country on the basis of this occurance is wholeheartedly pathetic and b) the use of 'I'm a dad' as some sort of carte blanche of being appalled and horrified is damn f*cking ridiculous ---> I'm not a dad, so does that mean I'm desensitised to the matter? F'k does it.

For once, I don't think tac was being overtly sinister.

Basil wrote:Any chance of an appeal/retrial?

Why? What were you found guilty of?

Bas, if you knew anything you'd realise there's a major debate going on following this case, and there will be changes made.

And I'd suggest that while this probably wasn't an isolated incident, there would be other places in the world where this kind of thing, and far worse, happens on a daily basis.

doremi wrote:For once, I don't think tac was being overtly sinister.

Perhaps precious then!

tac giving finger wagging lectures on sensitive issues (especially when missing the point in the first instance) is like Bin Laden claiming the atrocities carried out in his name are all done towards a peaceful solution.

Laughable at the very least!

Merlin wrote:

doremi wrote:For once, I don't think tac was being overtly sinister.

Perhaps precious then!

tac giving finger wagging lectures on sensitive issues (especially when missing the point in the first instance) is like Bin Laden claiming the atrocities carried out in his name are all done towards a peaceful solution.

Laughable at the very least!

You introduced "paedophelia" to score a cheap point against Pinkie . . . I simply sought to point out that pedophilia is not per se a crime . . . how the fark is that a finger wagging lecture or sinister?

You are verging on hysterical, Ian, so why not just put it all on a post card with a few smileys and send it to me? Save the other forummers the bother of reading your crap.

Of course you did tac. Ever the innocent tic-tac !
defending other forummers ... FFS - get real you idiot.

What? No 'farkwit' or filosofee references from you this evening ?
You do disappoint.

Anyway, listen one last time - just admit that you misinterpreted my post and in your effort to score cheap points.... you leapt in with both feet with the purile 'lectures'!
BTW you didn't see Pink responding to my post (in response to his) did you?
Neither did he ask you to help him out!
No.
And the reason he didn't respond was because he actually understood the gist of my post.
You didn't.

Now move on FFS.

is merlin another of zimmy's tags???

horace wrote:is merlin another of zimmy's tags???

Nice!
This one does deserve a :laule:

Merlin wrote:Of course you did tac. Ever the innocent tic-tac !
defending other forummers ... FFS - get real you idiot.

What? No 'farkwit' or filosofee references from you this evening ?
You do disappoint.

Anyway, listen one last time - just admit that you misinterpreted my post and in your effort to score cheap points.... you leapt in with both feet with the purile 'lectures'!
BTW you didn't see Pink responding to my post (in response to his) did you?
Neither did he ask you to help him out!
No.
And the reason he didn't respond was because he actually understood the gist of my post.
You didn't.

Now move on FFS.

Mate, just pull your head out of your arse for a minute.

Pinkie didn't ask for my help? Does he have to?

He didn't respond to your post? Because he saw you making a complete arse of yourself and just sat back and laughed.

I didn't understand your post? You are such a deep thinker.

Of course he did tac, of course he did.

Now take the pills with a glass of whiskey, put your feet up and relax ... no more mention of the "p" word (which we both spelt wrongly) to get you all het up - I promise.

Night night.

So it's come down to the same tired old, "put your feet" line, Ian?

Foolishly, perhaps, I expected better.


BTW, where have I spelt pedophilia incorrectly?

tac wrote:So it's come down to the same tired old, "put your feet" line, Ian?

Foolishly, perhaps, I expected better.


BTW, where have I spelt pedophilia incorrectly?

Check out LLL's post...

And when everything else fails, lay it on thick with the "Ian" references ...
So naive ...
So utterly predictable...

Nver mind hey .. tomorrow's another day!
BTW - I meant what I said about putting your feet up with a tot o whiskey you nerd ... it weren't a dig so stop being sensitive!
Reason being that I'm signing off ... so no more you and me tonight!
Bon soir.

Oh, don't go, Ian . . . . sorry, Merlin, your insightful comments will be sorely missed.

He's gone now tac.
Wanna wrestle with me for a bit?

Demelza wrote:He's gone now tac.
Wanna wrestle with me for a bit?

'd love to.

I'm feeling a little this fine morning.

Merlin wrote:

tac wrote:So it's come down to the same tired old, "put your feet" line, Ian?

Foolishly, perhaps, I expected better.


BTW, where have I spelt pedophilia incorrectly?

Check out LLL's post...

You check out my response to LLL's post . . . silly cunut.

Sexual Abuse in Aboriginal communities is a major problem and was the main reason behind the Gallop/Carpenter govt shutting the Swan Valley Fringe Dwellers camp in Perth and for the Howard govt to take over the Northern Territory communities (apart from vote grabbing).

Girl gang-rape warnings ignoredArticle from: Font size: Decrease Increase Email article: Email Print article: Print By Padraic Murphy and Tony Koch

December 13, 2007 05:00am

Victim's family warned authorities of danger
Aunt disgusted by prosecutor's argument
Multimedia: A culture in crisis

THE family of a 10-year-old gang-rape victim have revealed they had warned child safety authorities she would be attacked if taken out of a Cairns foster home and returned to their remote Aboriginal community of Aurukun.

Amid a continuing public outcry over the Queensland Department of Child Safety's failure to protect the girl and a Queensland District Court judge's controversial decision not to jail her attackers, her family has told of a community in crisis and "a little girl who has had the light turned off on her life".

They expressed outrage at the sentence the nine males received, and claim some of the offenders had first raped the girl when she was seven.

"She should never have been allowed to come back from foster care while those boys were still here. We told that to welfare. (Some of) those boys had raped her in the past," the girl's mother said.

In October, judge Sarah Bradley decided not to record convictions against six teenage attackers and gave three others, aged 17, 18 and 26, suspended sentences over the rape.

The sentences will be appealed and dozens of other sex abuse cases from the cape reviewed after the lenient sentences in the gang-rape case were revealed.

The prosecutor in the case, Steve Carter - who described the rape as "a form of childish experimentation" of which the victim was a willing participant - has also been stood down pending an internal investigation.

The girl's aunt said she was deeply offended by Mr Carter's claim that the victim had consented to the rape, and said suggestions underage sex was a fact of life in cape communities was abhorrent.

"That's not right. It's not traditional to have sex without parents' consent. Something is not right. She is a little girl who has had the light turned off on her life," she said.

Her uncle, the family patriarch, said sexual assaults, family violence and drugs had become so bad in the community he would support a Northern Territory-style intervention.

"The violence happens all the time. Something needs to be done, we shouldn't have to live like this," he said.

Cape York Aboriginal leader Noel Pearson last night described the case as "just the tip of the iceberg" of dysfunction in indigenous communities.

Mr Pearson blasted the notion that indigenous children taken into care and placed with non-indigenous foster carers were "another Stolen Generation" - as social workers in the Aurukun case believed.

He said that where children's welfare was under threat, the placement should be "one of safety, whether it is whitefellas or blackfellas".

"Those child protection practices that have sought to place Aboriginal children exclusively with Aboriginal carers have resulted in a great deal of harm for the individual children under care," Mr Pearson said.

"This is a case of children in urgent need of protection. As long as Aboriginal society is so dysfunctional that we have to take children into care and protection, we should never hear people bleat about some Stolen Generation.

"Today children on communities are living in dysfunctional situations where their welfare is under threat. There should be no hesitation in taking them out of those threatening circumstances and placing them with carers - whitefellas or blackfellas."

Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has vowed to take radical action and work with federal Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin if the review of sex abuse cases finds systemic problems.

"What's not clear until we look at all of these cases is, is it a systemic issue where the standard of justice is somehow different or lower in these communities?" Ms Bligh said.

"Or is this a one-off aberration from one particular officer?"

The girl's family speak to her once a week by satellite link because she is housed in a secret location in north Queensland.

"She sleeps with the light on. She gets jumpy when they get new case workers," her uncle said.
The uncle said no authority had contacted the family since the story was reported. He first heard about it on the radio, and he welcomed the opportunity to speak to the media.

Authorities had neglected to inform the family the case was being heard in October in a courthouse less than 100m from the victim's former home.