Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (V)

by skully Sat 23 Jun 2012, 08:33

Nah, she's a tough old bird and is home already. Actually looks a lot better than I thought she would. A couple of black eyes starting to appear.

The Chief is already dragging her aching bones up to their place on Decrepit-watch [sigh]. I can't tell her, she has Florence Nightingale genes. When my old man was ailing with advanced prostate cancer, my wife was in her element fussing over him. A remarkable lady.

by JGK Sat 23 Jun 2012, 09:05

She sounds like an angel, skull.

by skully Sat 23 Jun 2012, 09:13

Aye, mate. She has too good a heart. Her two early-20s daughters walk all over her, to the point that it drives me insane. She would do anything for them and her family.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 00:11

Anywho, back to the matters at hand. PMSL @ Pinkos - now hiding the Vulture

"WA Labor's state conference has been cancelled to keep Prime Minister Julia Gillard away.

Labor leader Mark McGowan yesterday claimed the annual conference, scheduled for Saturday, had been cancelled so the party could focus attention on next year's March election.

But Labor sources have told The Sunday Times a bigger reason was that the WA party did not want the on-the-nose Prime Minister to visit just eight months out from an election."

And this.

"ON the second anniversary of Kevin Rudd's removal as leader, the Labor Party's support continues to wallow below its level before the coup that removed the first-term prime minister.

The latest Newspoll reveals Tony Abbott has wiped out the leadership deficit he was suffering in June 2010, and is again equal with Julia Gillard as voters' preferred prime minister.

Labor's hopes that billions of dollars being paid from last month to families and households for carbon tax compensation would lift the party in the polls remain unfulfilled, with its primary vote continuing to trend at 30 per cent in a political gridlock in which little has changed for months."

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Oh dear. The Vulture is sure on the nose.

Lie to the Aus public about a new tax and rightly pay the price. You can't throw change at the "working families" to buy your way out of this mess.

See ya, Julia. Enjoy your fat ex-PM Super.

by JGK Mon 25 Jun 2012, 01:15

The latest Newspoll reveals Tony Abbott has wiped out the leadership deficit he was suffering in June 2010, and is again equal with Julia Gillard as voters' preferred prime minister.

Err... didn't he do that about a year ago? The reality is, the poll is no worse than the last one but our dear friends at News Corp need to make an anti-Gillard story somewhere.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 04:27

Wireless reporting that Krudd showed up at the PM's Paralympics Team launch. Apparently a number of her senior advisers looked like someone had pinched their lollies. Rudd's official reason was that he was there to support a Paralympian that he helped raise money for. It also happens to be the 2-year anniversary of the Vulture's stab-in-the-back.

Wireless also speculating that all the Vulture's billions thrown at "working families" recently to offset the carbon tax has done is establish a floor for the Pinko vote. That floor is apparently 30%. There's been no dead cat bounce.

Wireless also saying it's a joke that the Vulture simply shrugs and blames Abbott for the flood of boat people when she can't even get her alliance partners, The Greens, to vote with her on the issue.

by JGK Mon 25 Jun 2012, 04:39

Wireless also saying it's a joke that the Vulture simply shrugs and blames Abbott for the flood of boat people when she can't even get her alliance partners, The Greens, to vote with her on the issue.

That's the misconception. The Greens aren't a bolted on, bend over and spread coalition partner like the Nationals are with the Libs. They have reserved the right to call things as they see. And the Greens have been totally consistent over this particular issue.

The interesting development today is that members of the ALP and the Tories want to try the others scheme ie Nauru and Malaysia in the hope that it fails. With 12 months out to the next election, that should be plenty of time to take a "we told you so" to the electorate.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 04:41

Wireless also reports that 15,000 folk voted in a Daily Telegraph poll. The question - "Who is your preferred PM - Julie Gillard or Kevin Rudd?"

Results:

Krudd 83.2%
Vulture 16.8%

Laughing

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 04:47

JGK wrote:
Wireless also saying it's a joke that the Vulture simply shrugs and blames Abbott for the flood of boat people when she can't even get her alliance partners, The Greens, to vote with her on the issue.

That's the misconception.

I agree. It is a total misconception that this is anything but Julia's fault. The Malaysian solution, FFS. 800 people capacity. 2 week's worth of boat people. Yeah, awesome solution. Rolling Eyes

The Pacific solution translated rapidly to no boats.

by Paul Keating Mon 25 Jun 2012, 05:19

The chief architect of the Nauru solution in the Howard years admits that the Nauru solution would not work now.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 05:35

Now that Mr and MrsK's "Oh God, someone's posting something nasty about the pinkos" alarms have gone off, my work is done. Laughing

by Red Mon 25 Jun 2012, 05:37

Must admit I fail to see how onshore processing would deter the boats which everyone agrees is the objective here with people risking their lives it seems now on a daily basis.

by Red Mon 25 Jun 2012, 05:38

skully wrote:Now that Mr and MrsK's "Oh God, someone's posting something nasty about the pinkos" alarms have gone off, my work is done.

Don't think there is a major pinko party in oz anymore.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 05:57

It's a light-hearted nickname for my Labor colleagues. Cool

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 05:59

Red wrote:Must admit I fail to see how onshore processing would deter the boats which everyone agrees is the objective here with people risking their lives it seems now on a daily basis.

Damn straight. Sarah Hanson-Young is a loopy airhead. No matter how bad I think Labor is, they will never be as dangerous as the idiot Greens.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 06:02

Meanwhile, in my old home town electorate

"THE Nationals have taken their campaign to oust federal independent Rob Oakeshott up a notch with a new website and call for donations to defeat him at the next election.

The NSW Nationals are bankrolling a website called ''Get Rid of Rob'' to raise donations for their campaign in Mr Oakeshott's seat of Lyne.

''Against the wishes of his conservative electorate, Rob Oakeshott made a judgment that lumbered the people of Australia with the most incompetent federal government in generations,'' the website says. ''If you think that it's time to get rid of Rob, please help out.''

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Oakeshott will probably wimp out and retire, knowing that if he stands he will get a shellacking. Qunt.

by JGK Mon 25 Jun 2012, 06:05

As I've said previously - put out a policy saying "we will consider the next 5 boats to come into Australia will be enemy invaders and we reserve the right to bomb them into submission". OK, so you might have to actually bomb the first one to show that you mean business but it would probably stop the boats while no one wants to be in the next 4. You might even get away with not even sinking one as a few slightly off target missiles scare the bejesus over the smugglers on board so that they turn around.

Probably have an overall saving of life. Look at it as a bit like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 06:17

Wasn't that exactly what Nauru was, but without the pathetic upper limit of 800 places?

by JGK Mon 25 Jun 2012, 07:23

Nauru is like Christmas Island - a mere stepping stone to the mainland. By the time Nauru was closed there was only one person left there. Just about everyone else was allowed in.

That is the current government's point - Nauru was no less an deterrent as Christmas Island currently is.

Malaysia is different - just like my "bomb the first 5 out of the water" it is saying that the first 800 (ie 4 to 5 boats) to come will be guaranteed NOT to come to Australia so will you really sacrifice yourself for the benefit of the others. If no one is willing to go first then no-one comes. I agree, 800 is probably too low a number to make a difference given the boatloads that are already in train. But it is pretty elegant. Just like my bombing idea.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 07:27

JGK wrote:Nauru is like Christmas Island - a mere stepping stone to the mainland. By the time Nauru was closed there was only one person left there. Just about everyone else was allowed in.

42%, I believe. You sound like the Goose.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 07:28

Actually, I stand corrected, it was 43%. From Wiki...

"Under the Pacific solution, 30 percent were sent home, 43 per cent of asylum seekers resettled from Nauru and Manus Island ended up in Australia. The remaining were settled in other countries."

Very poor form, Swanny. Rolling Eyes

ATM, because of the Vulture's total lack of policy on the matter, 100% get in without proper checks because of the ridiculous pressure they put on the Immigration Dept to hastily sort out their embarrassment at the overloaded Christmas Island facility. Ask the electorate which solution they think worked best. Deary, deary me. Is this your famous logic you lecture me about? You are becoming as irrational as Ponts.

What's that, MrK? "Sorry skulls, I was in error"?

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 07:37

And you conveniently overlook the fact that there were basically no boats between 2003 and when Krudd abolished the Pacific solution in 2007. Would you like to hazard a guess at how many boats and people have made the perilous journey across the Indian Ocean and Timor Sea since then? Hmmm?

by embee Mon 25 Jun 2012, 07:46

Figures are probably dodgy ...

1996: 19 Boats, 660 people
1997: 11 Boats, 339 people
1998: 17 Boats, 200 people
1999: 86 boats, 3721 people
2000: 51 boats, 2939 pople
2001: 43 Boats, 5516 people

Pacific Solution
2002: 1 Boat, 1 person
2003: 1 boat, 53 people
2004: 1 Boat, 15 people
2005: 4 Boats, 11 people
2006: 6 Boats, 60 people
2007: 5 Boats, 148 people

Rudd/ Gillard’s Open Border Solution
2008; 7 Boats, 161 People
2009: 60 Boats, 2726 people, 141 crew
2010: 134 Boats, 6555 people, 344 crew,
2011: 69 Boats, 4565 people, 168 crew
2012: 48 Boats, 3700 people as of 4 June.

by skully Mon 25 Jun 2012, 07:50

Awww, boo, MB. I had them up my sleeve to plop some more egg on MrK's face. Damn you. Cool

The figures are a stark "in your face" to those that say the Pacific solution was bogus. Like fark it was.

A clear demonstration of LJH implementing strong policy that worked, something the Vulture and her rag-tag crew have got no hope in hell of claiming.

I can hear MrK's tight strings twanging from here. Very Happy

by JGK Mon 25 Jun 2012, 08:12

Well the Kiwis did very politely agree to take some of the load (which they won't do any more). Also, a third of asylum seekers voluntarily went home.

So, as I said, of those who went to Nauru and didn't later voluntarily go home, just about all were settled in Australia or NZ.

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