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Post by Red Mon 10 Sep 2012, 09:51

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/james-anderson-slams-michael-vaughans-captaincy-in-book/1000439/

Wonder about the sort of stuff that will written by and about KP when he retires.
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Post by The One Mon 10 Sep 2012, 10:03

"When preferred to Simon Jones, I was underprepared. It was five months since my last first-class action. I didn't bowl very well.

"Although I started okay as first change, it wasn't long before I began dragging the ball down short and wide. I got clattered everywhere and was soon shot of confidence.

"Vaughan asked: 'What's up, mate? Radar gone?'

"'Yeah, I think it has,' I said, desperate for some backing. All I received was a pat between the shoulder blades and an instruction to 'keep going'."

how precious. he should have taken his mum along

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Post by beamer Mon 10 Sep 2012, 10:59

He seems to be getting into something of a habit of making these kind of comments. Let your bowling do the talking Jimmy, at least until your career's over... Vaughan got the best out of Harmison (for a while at least), Hoggard, Flintoff and Jones so maybe it wasn't him that was the problem here!

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Post by skully Mon 10 Sep 2012, 11:04

But even when bowling, Jimmy doesn't let his bowling do the talking. He never shuts up. A-grade sledger. Wink
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Post by LeFromage Mon 10 Sep 2012, 11:31

Re: Justin Langer's leaked dossier on the England players.

"Jimmy Anderson - pussy."
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Post by Brass Monkey Mon 10 Sep 2012, 12:25

Seriously though, what did he want him to say? 'Don't keep bowling short and wide'?
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Post by tricycle Mon 10 Sep 2012, 14:03

Vaughan will take the positives from it.

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Post by PeterCS Mon 10 Sep 2012, 15:46

Brass Monkey wrote:Seriously though, what did he want him to say? 'Don't keep bowling short and wide'?

A quick handjob would have sufficed.



The headline is blown out of proportion, to make up for it.

Anderson doesn't say Vaughan was a rubbish captain - just that he is given a bit too much credit for good captaincy, when it was his players who were decisive. (Presumably therefore Jimmy would now defend Strauss from allegations of poor captaincy over the past 15 months.)

WIth regard to Danny's question, I would think it was the "lost your radar?" comment that would have struck a young bowler who is struggling as insensitive, "unsupportive" if you prefer.

Quite possibly the (ever-vacuous) Mick would have meant the comment in jocular fashion, assuming any bowler worth international recognition could just laugh it off, adjust his action, and slot into the groove.

But I think the problem is not the "Jimmikins" thing (i.e. spoilt, spineless brat), but the fact that Anderson had enjoyed a meteoric rise from Burnley to England, hence didn't have the rich resources of experience to draw on for confidence, or to work out on the spot how to remedy his problem. Added to which, Cooley had been "fixing" his action like a f*cker, so the victim will hardly have been brimming with the confidence of a bowler who brasses it out, sure he has basically got it right.

So to answer Dan's question (finally), something like "Do you want me to put in an extra slip?", "Should I give you a go from the other end?" (both of which would acknowledge the bowler's input, and wits), or alternatively "Concentrate on off stump" (practical advice), or perhaps best of all (in the circumstances), "Look mate, forget all that shite Cooley has been bending your ear with, and just trust yourself" might have been a shade preferable to "Wozzup, lost yer radar, mate?"

I am not saying Anderson was not over-sensitive - he was, and in some respects still is. But there are also reasons for that which are not just the familiar issues of character, or lack of it ..... which a better man manager would perhaps have known about, and grasped. (See above.)

As for the advisability of publishing autobiographies while you are still in the thick of the fray ...... it seems obvious to say he or his agent should have pulled the publication for the time being, at the latest when Kevgate blew up.
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Post by Brass Monkey Mon 10 Sep 2012, 17:45

Do you want me to put in an extra slip? To a bowler who'd been very short and wide?

Should I give you a go from the other end? I suppose, if he wanted to wreck his plans.

Concentrate on off stump - that's what you say to a toddler. Most bowlers concentrate on off stump.

Look mate, forget all that shite Cooley has been bending your ear with, and just trust yourself - directly contravene his bowling coach?
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Post by PeterCS Mon 10 Sep 2012, 19:02

I couldn't remember exactly how Anderson was "losing it" at the time. Long hops or overpitching, wide left, wide right, too high, swinging it too far either way, or reverse-swinging his own arse off ...

Hence:

The first two were examples - the point was/is to try to get the bowler to tick.

(But hey: the extra slip might be useful, either in case the batsman goes slashing, cutting or undercutting those wide, short deliveries Very Happy .... or else as a joke .....)


The third was in case the bowler was trying too hard (e.g. to swing it), as novices often do. And James Not-Roberts Anderson was very green at the time ...

The fourth one .... was my joke (and barb)..... But if Vaughan had more nous, it could have been his joke. In general terms, reverence towards your senior officers is not always what really matters in the middle.

Tapping your players' strengths is.
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Post by Brass Monkey Mon 10 Sep 2012, 19:34

Hmmm, fair enough. I'd have probably just wanted a pat between the shoulder blades.
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Post by LeFromage Mon 10 Sep 2012, 19:41

Or at least a finger up the anus.
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Post by Basil Mon 10 Sep 2012, 22:52

Red wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/james-anderson-slams-michael-vaughans-captaincy-in-book/1000439/

Wonder about the sort of stuff that will written by and about KP when he retires.

What a load of bollocks - read the effing article.
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 11 Sep 2012, 12:01

Dello wrote:Or at least a finger up the anus.

I'd rather save that for the post wicket celebrations. Or else it just cheaps it.
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Post by Red Tue 11 Sep 2012, 13:16

Basil wrote:
Red wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/james-anderson-slams-michael-vaughans-captaincy-in-book/1000439/

Wonder about the sort of stuff that will written by and about KP when he retires.

What a load of bollocks - read the effing article.

I did. My point is that cricketers, perhaps more than most tend to write about their teammates, incidents etc. in their books and not all posthumously in the cricket career sense. When KP retires he will have a licence to be effusive about all the incendiary events of the past few months. Ditto his teammates.
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Post by taipan Tue 11 Sep 2012, 14:04

Red wrote:
Basil wrote:
Red wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/james-anderson-slams-michael-vaughans-captaincy-in-book/1000439/

Wonder about the sort of stuff that will written by and about KP when he retires.

What a load of bollocks - read the effing article.

I did. My point is that cricketers, perhaps more than most tend to write about their teammates, incidents etc. in their books and not all posthumously in the cricket career sense. When KP retires he will have a licence to be effusive about all the incendiary events of the past few months. Ditto his teammates.

Basically cricketers spend more time with their teammates than in other sports
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Post by lardbucket Tue 11 Sep 2012, 15:37

Is Jimmikins trying to incite a new War of the Roses?

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Post by PeterCS Tue 11 Sep 2012, 15:43

Or are you? Very Happy

Mick was born in Manchester.
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Post by lardbucket Tue 11 Sep 2012, 16:27

you broke my ladle

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Post by LeFromage Tue 11 Sep 2012, 16:37

So, in recent times we've learned Freddie hates Athers, Jimmy hates Vaughany, KP hates Straussy and everyone hates KP (and has been publicly badmouthing him through a friend's Twitter account).

A stupid person might conclude England are a bunch of utter wankers.
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Post by The One Tue 11 Sep 2012, 16:43

swann didnt even wait to retire did he?

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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 11 Sep 2012, 16:56

Dello wrote:
A stupid person might conclude England are a bunch of utter wankers.

Not I... they're like the footballers..... oh.... the rugb.... oh shit.... the boxers.... f*ck, forget it.
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Post by tricycle Wed 12 Sep 2012, 02:51

The snooker players clearly.

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Post by Brass Monkey Wed 12 Sep 2012, 11:59

I think the bog-snorkellers are the last down-to-earth Anglo sportsmen around.
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