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Post by tac Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:03 pm

Congrats, Matty!
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Post by JGK Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:47 pm

As I said on the other thread - this innings has seen him go pas Waugh, Sobers and Boycott on the runs list (in the same number of tests as Sobers) and equal Bradman and Kallis on the tons list.

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Post by Guest Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:50 pm

Incredible that there are so many flat tracks these days.

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Post by Mick Sawyer Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:55 pm

Yep - a meaningless 100
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Post by Fred Nerk Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:11 pm

"As I said on the other thread - this innings has seen him go pas Waugh, Sobers and Boycott on the runs list (in the same number of tests as Sobers)"

How many innings? Being an opening bat, he gets a second hit every time Australia do.

Every time I start contemplating replacements for Hayden he produces the goods, not just one innings to save his ass, but consistently over the next few Tests. That happened before Oval 2005, midway through last summer, and again in this series.

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Post by Mick Sawyer Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:23 pm

"Being an opening bat, he gets a second hit every time Australia do." and faces the oppositions best two fast bowlers with a full tank & a new ball.
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Post by lardbucket Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:46 pm

Fred Nerk wrote:"As I said on the other thread - this innings has seen him go pas Waugh, Sobers and Boycott on the runs list (in the same number of tests as Sobers)"

How many innings? Being an opening bat, he gets a second hit every time Australia do.

Well, Sobers had a better average, so more innings than him; and Waugh's average was lower, so not as many as him. Not as many dismissals, anyway. Although there is a theory about not outs diminishing the average, you might like to hear it some time ...

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Post by skully Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:48 pm

Mick Sawyer wrote:"Being an opening bat, he gets a second hit every time Australia do." and faces the oppositions best two fast bowlers with a full tank & a new ball.
Aye, methinks Nerky is being a tad churlish. My only disappointment with his fine knock was the inevitable arrogant tossing away of his innings.
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Post by please don't yell Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:49 pm

Yep i wish he really was a ftb, ftb's make sure they score big tons on dead tracks haydos gets bored and throws it away.

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Post by Fred Nerk Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:21 pm

"Not as many dismissals, anyway. Although there is a theory about not outs diminishing the average, you might like to hear it some time ..."

OK! Under the threat of that I'll shut up!!

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Post by JGK Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:26 pm

Of MTB's 29 tons - 16 have ended with him being dismissed between 117 and 138.


He also has 100*, 101*, 102 x 2, 103, 110 and 111.


I'm pretty sure that after the Don, he has about the best innings per ton rate.

Imagine what his average would be like if he had a Subi or even Ponting-like ruthlessness for a big score.

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Post by skully Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:31 pm

Sage JGK.
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Post by please don't yell Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:38 pm

It's his big weakness and it leaves him open to getting dropped in leaner patches.

He really does play carelessly after reaching his ton.

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Post by Fred Nerk Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:57 pm

Dunno about you lot but I'd rather a bloke have a cluster of scores around 110 than a cluster of scores around 12 any day.

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Post by JGK Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:11 pm

skully wrote:Sage JGK.


So you've noticed my avatar?

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Post by The Don99 Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:17 pm

Hayden is class - consistently performs when it matters. The only problem is the discrepancy between his home/away average.

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Post by chris j. Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:24 pm

JGK wrote:Of MTB's 29 tons - 16 have ended with him being dismissed between 117 and 138.


He also has 100*, 101*, 102 x 2, 103, 110 and 111.


I'm pretty sure that after the Don, he has about the best innings per ton rate.

Imagine what his average would be like if he had a Subi or even Ponting-like ruthlessness for a big score.

Interesting.

He could have been the next Brian Lara...

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Post by The One Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:27 pm

a ton every 4.40 innings at home, every 8.67 innings away. more like jayawardene

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Post by JGK Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:37 pm

The One wrote:a ton every 4.40 innings at home, every 8.67 innings away. more like jayawardene


He has a good away record in the WI and India and hasn't played in Pakistan. The obvious holes are his England and Saf performances over 10 tests but even in England he has rarely out and out failed - he has a stack of scores in the 30s and 40s.

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Post by The One Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:40 pm

matty and jaya have incredibly similar records

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Code:
                    Mat    I  NO  Runs HS1  HS2  HS3    Ave 100  50  0

overall              93  151  11  7271 374  242  237  51.93  21  30  10
                      92  164  13  8003 380  203  197  53.00  28  27  11

in Australia          4    8  0  274 104  49  44  34.25  1  0  1
                      49  86  8  4822 380  197  153  61.82  19  16  4
in Bangladesh          3    5  1  103  49  30  23*  25.75  0  0  1
                      2    3  0  107  72  29    6  35.66  0  1  0
in England            7  13  1  511 119  107  61  42.58  2  2  2
                      10  18  2  552 138  68  42  34.50  1  1  2
in India              3    5  0  255  71  67  60  51.00  0  4  1
                      7  14  1  793 203  119  97  61.00  2  3  0
in New Zealand        4    7  0  194 141  31  13  27.71  1  0  2
                      4    7  0  197  61  38  37  28.14  0  1  0
in Pakistan            7  14  1  392  68  57  50  30.15  0  3  1
                      0    -  -    -  -    -    -    -    -  -  -
in South Africa        5  10  0  314  98  45  44  31.40  0  1  1
                      10  18  0  624 122  102  96  34.66  2  3  5
in Sri Lanka          53  80  6  4888 374  242  237  66.05  16  19  1
                      4    8  0  321 130  54  41  40.12  1  1  0
in U.A.E.              0    -  -    -  -    -    -    -    -  -  -
                      2    2  0  208 119  89    -  104.00  1  1  0
in West Indies        2    3  0    87  45  32  10  29.00  0  0  0
                      4    8  2  379 177  100*  30  63.16  2  0  0
in Zimbabwe            5    6  2  253 100*  91  37  63.25  1  1  0
                      0    -  -    -  -    -    -    -    -  -  -

home                  53  80  6  4888 374  242  237  66.05  16  19  1
                      49  86  8  4822 380  197  153  61.82  19  16  4
away                  39  69  5  2382 141  119  107  37.21  5  11  8
                      40  74  5  2935 203  177  138  42.53  8  10  7
neutral                1    2  0    1  1    0    -    0.50  0  0  1
                      3    4  0  246 119  89  34  61.50  1  1  0

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Post by tac Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:03 pm

Except that Matty opens . . .
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Post by Leo Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:58 pm

He's a champ.
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Post by Forum Goat Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:53 am

JGK wrote: I'm pretty sure that after the Don, he has about the best innings per ton rate.

Nope if you are not talking about just Australian players. On top of my head I know at least 3 West Indian greats had better innings per ton numbers:

George Headly: 4.0 (10 tons per 40 innings)
Clyde Walcott: 4.93 (15 tons per 74 innings)
Everton Weekes: 5.4 (15 tons from 81 innings)

Hayden: 5.72 (29 tons in 166 innings)

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Post by Forum Goat Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:00 am

JGK wrote:Of MTB's 29 tons - 16 have ended with him being dismissed between 117 and 138.
Imagine what his average would be like if he had a Subi or even Ponting-like ruthlessness for a big score.

Can't fully agree with that. Didn't he ruthlessly beat the sh!t out of Zimboks to grab the highest individual run record?

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Post by PearlJ Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:32 am

Forum Goat wrote:
JGK wrote:Of MTB's 29 tons - 16 have ended with him being dismissed between 117 and 138.
Imagine what his average would be like if he had a Subi or even Ponting-like ruthlessness for a big score.

Can't fully agree with that. Didn't he ruthlessly beat the sh!t out of Zimboks to grab the highest individual run record?

Only once though.
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