Sachin castigates ChappellG

To be fair, Trev does know what goes through the mind of a racist better than most.

good point

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:Apart from Lehmann's actions, what was equally disturbing was that he obviously felt he could say what he said within the confines of the Australian dressing room and not be reprimanded or berated for what he said. The Aussies initially tried to play it off as a "what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room" incident. If the Sri Lankan's hadn't heard him, would Lehmann's teammates have pulled him up and told him what he said was not acceptable? Or would he have been allowed to get away with it and likely say that kind of thing again?

He was sorry he got caught.

he ****** well lost his temper and did what a lot of people do when theyre pissed off - let the words out without thinking what they were.
youre awfully knowledgable about things gooing on in other peoples minds.  care to tell what im thinking about you right now?

  So you think that's ok then? Righto......

You would have made a great lawyer for Oscar Pistorius.

Nobody thought the words were OK. Not even Lehmann, that's the point.

Or do you continue to doubt the sincerity of his acknowledgment of the subconscious racism that emerged when he said those words, and his ownership of the need to make changes in himself?

Trevor the Symonds-Harbhajan issue is not that Symonds and Hayden are angels and Harbhajan and Tendulkar are bad, or vice versa ... in my world Symonds is a brash drunk with many problems, and Hayden is an obnoxious twat; but that does not excuse that lying grub Harbhajan for racially vilifying Symonds AGAIN, or Tendulkar for standing by when Harby tried weaselling his way out of it, only finding (after three attempts) a story he would stick with.

Was it the first time Lehmann had said those kind of words in the Aussie dressing room? Or the first time people who are deeply offended by those words heard them? I wonder what the reaction of his teammates were? Were they shocked? Did they rebuke him? Or were they silent? Was it standard fare for those kind of "heat of the moment" outbursts to occur? Like I said, he may have had a subconscious racist attitude, but he also subconsciously felt he could utter those words in the environment that he was in without rebuke. It was worrying. Well done him if he's REALLY managed to change his outlook.

And again, biased opinion WITHOUT FACTS is being used to talk about monkeygate. "Harbhajan DID racially vilify Symonds....he DEFINITELY lied......because there was an incident before in India, and Symonds was clearly angry."

Again, it's irrational. It was a group of qunts acting to the script. But Australia's prosecution would no way have stood up in a court of law. Indeed the Kiwi judge brought in to conduct the hearing thoroughly and quickly agreed. It was one team's word against another's.

Your continuing denial that the racist outburst occurred is irrational. Did you watch it live?

Harbhajan is scum, Tendulkar was complicit in the cover-up, the BCCI response told its own story.

Individual Indian players, like the individual members of political parties whose policy position is untenable, are undoubtedly gentlemen ... but the orchestrated response of India's cricket controlling body was and remains a disgrace that I will never forget or forgive.

Harbhajan called Symonds a monkey.

An initial response to the complaint was to say that it was a sort of compliment.

That didn't wash at all, and the public knew he'd done it before, and had been instructed on the sensitivity of the term, and had agreed not to say it again ... so then he tried to deny saying anything.

When that didn't wash, he said he was saying terri ma'aki, and had just been misheard ...

Shifting sands = lying qunt.

You only choose to believe him because it suits your agenda of the Australians ALWAYS being in the wrong.

AB weighs in too:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/allan-border-new-book-sheds-light-on-cricket-australias-role-in-monkeygate/story-e6frf3g3-1227116750088

I reckon this bit is the most telling of AB's comments...

"When the Indians started to flex their muscles and threatened to go home, our players were very aggrieved. They felt that if the situation had been reversed and any of them had called someone a monkey, they’d have been hammered. They also felt that the earlier agreement from the Indian tour had been broken.".

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Lehamnn WAS hammered by Aus during Blackquntgate, yet here the Bannies were, threatening to take their bat and ball home if they didn't get their way (which extended to not only Bhajji getting a much reduced sentence, but also a number of Aussie witnesses to Monkeygate being essentially branded liars, as well as Steve Bucknor's career being ruined). It WAS as weak as piss, and I remain shocked and highly disappointed with the way India handled the post-THAT TEST situation. It smacked of "we rule the cricket world and we'll show you" and they got away with it.

That said, CA were the most piss weak.

Aye.

skully wrote:Aye.

Yep...weak as piss.

Henry wrote:

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:Apart from Lehmann's actions, what was equally disturbing was that he obviously felt he could say what he said within the confines of the Australian dressing room and not be reprimanded or berated for what he said. The Aussies initially tried to play it off as a "what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room" incident. If the Sri Lankan's hadn't heard him, would Lehmann's teammates have pulled him up and told him what he said was not acceptable? Or would he have been allowed to get away with it and likely say that kind of thing again?

He was sorry he got caught.

he ****** well lost his temper and did what a lot of people do when theyre pissed off - let the words out without thinking what they were.
youre awfully knowledgable about things gooing on in other peoples minds.  care to tell what im thinking about you right now?

  So you think that's ok then? Righto.......

thats not what i ****** well said dickhead
i can understand how you got to be such a biassed one-eyed ****** - obviously your mommy ran away with an aussie - but that doesn't mean i approve of your attitude any more than i approve of what lehmann said. or what harby said and the way the authorities dealt with it

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:Apart from Lehmann's actions, what was equally disturbing was that he obviously felt he could say what he said within the confines of the Australian dressing room and not be reprimanded or berated for what he said. The Aussies initially tried to play it off as a "what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room" incident. If the Sri Lankan's hadn't heard him, would Lehmann's teammates have pulled him up and told him what he said was not acceptable? Or would he have been allowed to get away with it and likely say that kind of thing again?

He was sorry he got caught.

he ****** well lost his temper and did what a lot of people do when theyre pissed off - let the words out without thinking what they were.
youre awfully knowledgable about things gooing on in other peoples minds.  care to tell what im thinking about you right now?

  So you think that's ok then? Righto.......

thats not what i ****** well said dickhead
i can understand how you got to be such a biassed one-eyed ****** - obviously your mommy ran away with an aussie - but that doesn't mean i approve of your attitude any more than i approve of what lehmann said.  or what harby said and the way the authorities dealt with it

Oh dear. Resorting to full-on abuse now are you? Typical path of the intellectually challenged when stuck in an argument.

Henry wrote:

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:Apart from Lehmann's actions, what was equally disturbing was that he obviously felt he could say what he said within the confines of the Australian dressing room and not be reprimanded or berated for what he said. The Aussies initially tried to play it off as a "what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room" incident. If the Sri Lankan's hadn't heard him, would Lehmann's teammates have pulled him up and told him what he said was not acceptable? Or would he have been allowed to get away with it and likely say that kind of thing again?

He was sorry he got caught.

he ****** well lost his temper and did what a lot of people do when theyre pissed off - let the words out without thinking what they were.
youre awfully knowledgable about things gooing on in other peoples minds.  care to tell what im thinking about you right now?

  So you think that's ok then? Righto.......

thats not what i ****** well said dickhead
i can understand how you got to be such a biassed one-eyed ****** - obviously your mommy ran away with an aussie - but that doesn't mean i approve of your attitude any more than i approve of what lehmann said.  or what harby said and the way the authorities dealt with it

Oh dear. Resorting to full-on abuse now are you? Typical path of the intellectually challenged when stuck in an argument.

i tailored my comment to its intended recipient. theres no point being logical and factual with people subject to the level of blind irrational prejudice you exhibit

wow..poor old Mudge is not in a happy mood

I think Ethics won by a short half head.

Close run thing ... Stewards Inquiry, I'd suggest!

He 'won'? Joizus. We're playing a game? What do we win, a troll doll?

And the 2014 Arse Kicking Champion (One-Legged Mares Division) is (drumroll please)....

Brass Monkey wrote:He 'won'? Joizus. We're playing a game? What do we win, a troll doll?

Is that that Canadian nurse with a thing for embee that used to post here?

G.Wood wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:He 'won'? Joizus. We're playing a game? What do we win, a troll doll?

Is that that Canadian nurse with a thing for embee that used to post here?

The one with the big knockers?

G.Wood wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:He 'won'? Joizus. We're playing a game? What do we win, a troll doll?

Is that that Canadian nurse with a thing for embee that used to post here?

Can you elaborate what the " thing" is?

Merlin wrote:

G.Wood wrote:

Brass Monkey wrote:He 'won'? Joizus. We're playing a game? What do we win, a troll doll?

Is that that Canadian nurse with a thing for embee that used to post here?

Can you elaborate what the " thing" is?

Not sure Embee is that choosy.

I am surprised there is any doubt

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:

Ethics? The Gall! wrote:

Henry wrote:Apart from Lehmann's actions, what was equally disturbing was that he obviously felt he could say what he said within the confines of the Australian dressing room and not be reprimanded or berated for what he said. The Aussies initially tried to play it off as a "what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room" incident. If the Sri Lankan's hadn't heard him, would Lehmann's teammates have pulled him up and told him what he said was not acceptable? Or would he have been allowed to get away with it and likely say that kind of thing again?

He was sorry he got caught.

he ****** well lost his temper and did what a lot of people do when theyre pissed off - let the words out without thinking what they were.
youre awfully knowledgable about things gooing on in other peoples minds.  care to tell what im thinking about you right now?

  So you think that's ok then? Righto.......

thats not what i ****** well said dickhead
i can understand how you got to be such a biassed one-eyed ****** - obviously your mommy ran away with an aussie - but that doesn't mean i approve of your attitude any more than i approve of what lehmann said.  or what harby said and the way the authorities dealt with it

Oh dear. Resorting to full-on abuse now are you? Typical path of the intellectually challenged when stuck in an argument.

i tailored my comment to its intended recipient. theres no point being logical and factual with people subject to the level of blind irrational prejudice you exhibit

Yes, with you that clearly seems to be the case.