Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (XII)

[JGK]

Terrible idea.

It might be needed in the US because income is taxed at vastly different rates. The deduction side of it is fairly immaterial.

In Aust, the main source of income that is not taxed at full marginal rates is capital gains which clearly accrue to wealthy people more than others (as they have more capital). Therefore, make the CGT discount a little less attractive.

[Bradman]

You know I've often wondered if that richest 10% paying 90% of the taxes (I'm pulling those figures out of the air as I'm not sure of the exact amount ScoMo and the like usually quote) is actually the case. Are those figures coming from the income tax rate that applies at that level?

I guess the question I'm asking is does this figure aplied to the "lifters" take into account their deductions?

[horace]

Interesting article about the MMs latest attack on Turnbull. But what is really noteworthy is the photo of Abbott talking to a mass rally of his supporters.

Link

[embee]

[skully]

What?

[horace]

aye....did not work for me.

[horace]

I see Matnazi Corman was the architect of the deal between the brownie Libs and No Notion in WA. His public reasoning was the Lib primary vote was low.

It sunk further after the deal with the black shirts. Various Tories who lost their seats said moderate Tory supporters were turned off by the deal. Good for them.

Alignment with racist flat earthers may come naturally to the small unrepresentative extremist swill (to bowdlerise PK) who have infiltrated the Tories (Abetz, Christiansen, et al) but happily their shared views are not held by most Australians.

[horace]

Hopefully PM Fizzer will find the cohunas to pressure the Tories against any future deals with the devil.

[embee]

I didnt like the Lib preference deal with One Nation

...so I voted below the line and put them last

Stoopid ignorant Lazy Sheep Qunts

[Bradman]

Might make people panicking abt her.

[embee]

Hopefully PM Fizzer will find the cohunas to pressure the Tories against any future deals with the devil.

They will need to analyze what effect it had on the LC voting

the anecdotal evidence is that it was bad but that hysterics is mainly from pinkos and watermelons ( and no nothing political media )

dont think anything can save Mehcolm anyway

[Bradman]

Diff situation for the Tories qld. No upper house and no coalition to dump on each other.

[embee]

the new high court appointed wozzie one nation senator (brother in law of the old high court ejected wozzie one nation senator) is in isolation in hospital with ......

measles

Pauline has said she's seen the irony in the situation

[horace]

With the economy up the spout, an expanding housing bubble due to explode, legal services, health and education under pressure and the world going to scheisenhausen - it is great to see the Truffles Government finally addressing the key issue of our times.

No FB'ers, there has not been an Inquiry launched into the NSPs rationale for giving Mitch Marsh 21 Tests.

The burning issue is Section 18c of a national Act of Parliament that stipulates limits on the right of good old boys to verbally kick the crap out of folks who are not WASPs.

While there are wars in the middle east, Africa and elsewhere and the resulting millions of displaced humans, Australia (aka the Liberal Party) has been engaged in a Kulcha War.

This week the Truffles aka Fizzer Cabinet agreed 18c needed REFORM and this was endorsed by the Lib party room.

Announcements were made and Count Bolt smiled. Immediately BBQs all over Australia were stopped. In our hotels, beers were left untouched.

In the link below Brenda the Civil Disobedience Penguin explains all.

Brenda

[embee]

lefty mock outrage at righty mock outrage

[Bradman]

If all they get (and they probably won't) is the removal of the two words they're all bitching about it wouldn't help Bolt. He was done for the the more serious bits which likely won't be removed.

Triggs is a farking idiot with an extreme agenda but if they tighten the regs to reel any future Triggs in, it will prevent future QUT stiff-ups. Leak was always proof against it under 18D and the OZ just used him as a stalking horse.

Though I suspect Leak was more trying to provoke comment on 18c than bring about change to Aboriginal welfare with that cartoon.

Also what the OZ never reported about the QUT case was those students went looking for that indigenous only computer lab, or they were temporarily blinded, as they walked past two unrestricted empty ones to get there.

[lardbucket]

If all they get (and they probably won't) is the removal of the two words they're all bitching about it wouldn't help Bolt. He was done for the the more serious bits which likely won't be removed.

It looks like there will be no change, and unfortunately QUT-type debacles will continue sporadically, with some people willingly or wilfully taking offence when no offence at all was intended but it is politically expedient for them to take offence. I do not resile from the need to keep Hanson and her ilk in their place - those bastards should burn in hell - but 18d won't always protect against quite innocent comments being misinterpreted or taken out of context and portrayed as racist, and it won't protect against the duress of a protracted legal saga, even if the eventual outcome is exoneration. The sort of comments MP Bunny relayed in Parliament today were disgracefully racist, and the author of those comments would not be protected by the proposed revision of this act. Another false binary ...

Triggs is a farking idiot with an extreme agenda but if they tighten the regs to reel any future Triggs in, it will prevent future QUT stuff-ups. Leak was always proof against it under 18D and the OZ just used him as a stalking horse. Though I suspect Leak was more trying to provoke comment on 18c than bring about change to Aboriginal welfare with that cartoon.

This surely was obvious to all, even those who chose to ignore it in order to take offence ... although vicious sarcasm is so hard to detect from the printed word ...

Also what the OZ never reported about the QUT case was those students went looking for that indigenous only computer lab, or they were temporarily blinded, as they walked past two unrestricted empty ones to get there.

That's very interesting; I had not heard that before today. Fact check? Where has this actually been reported, if anywhere?

Somewhere in the proposal to revise 18c was the intent to protect those whose non-racist comments might be twisted, taken out of context, or misinterpreted and labelled as racist; without diminishing by one iota the capacity to come down like a ton of bricks on those whose attitudes and comments are clearly racist. The first group (of innocents) may be a lot smaller than the mob of racially vilifying individuals that most of us want acted upon by the law, but they need some protection. I don't think this issue will ever be settled satisfactorily whilst it is seen as a partisan issue ... i.e. not until a non-partisan Senate committee representing all relevant stakeholders etc comes up with wording which satisfies the dual aims of protecting the innocent whilst strongly sanctioning the guilty. The current proposed revision doesn't do it, and needs a lot of work.

[Bradman]

The CM reported it a week or so back. Surprised me at the time, tho I'd heard talk of it being in the legal filings which won't see the light of day.

None of which excuses the behaviour of the HRC or the use of 18c in that case.

[JGK]

For a woman who a couple of weeks ago was talking up the anti-vaccers, this is some conversion by Pauline:

""Islam is a disease; we need to vaccinate ourselves against that."

[horace]

"Would you like the pope's/parson's/buddha's/mohammed's/bunjil's nose. It is the best part.

No not you Arjuna, you have already consumed half the barnyard."

[JGK]

Bob Day's election to the Senate has been ruled invalid.

Looks like the ALP might get the replacement gig.

Bad times for the Tories.

[skully]

Erk!!

[Bradman]

Bob Day's election to the Senate has been ruled invalid.

Looks like the ALP might get the replacement gig.  

Bad times for the Tories.

Actually it turns out FF may retain the seat (that's breaking news). Scullion sailed close to the wind on this for years and there could be some others worth investigating. You know compared to normal legislation the constitution's pretty easy to read. We've got to start jailing some these qunts as an example.

[JGK]

Bob Day's election to the Senate has been ruled invalid.

Looks like the ALP might get the replacement gig.  

Bad times for the Tories.

Actually it turns out FF may retain the seat (that's breaking news).  Scullion sailed close to the wind on this for years and there could be some others worth investigating.  You know compared to normal legislation the constitution's pretty easy to read.  We've got to start jailing some these qunts as an example.

Ah yes.

"Kenyan-born Lucy Gichuhi appears set to be catapulted into the Senate after the High Court ruled former Family First senator Bob Day was unconstitutionally elected due to an indirect pecuniary interest.

The High Court, sitting as the Court of Disputed Returns, has ordered a special count of South Australian ballot papers but it is likely Ms Gichuhi, who was Family First’s No 2 SA candidate at the July election, will receive the party’s votes and fill the vacancy."

If Family First regains its seat as expected, the crossbench will again expand to 12 senators and add another conservative voice to the upper house.


Having a black Kenyan born woman representing a conservative Christian party is going to set heads spinning on all sides!

Good fun.

[skully]

Phew!!

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