Re: ICC reinstates Darrel Hair as Test & ODI umpire

by tac Tue 18 Mar 2008, 23:56

Put a sock in it, JD!

by JB Tue 18 Mar 2008, 23:57

What a sick and twisted mind Dello has to create a tac.

by LeFromage Tue 18 Mar 2008, 23:58

I didn't create him - I scraped him off my shoe.

by tac Tue 18 Mar 2008, 23:59

Dello wrote:I didn't create him - I scraped him off my shoe.

by G.Wood Wed 19 Mar 2008, 00:00

JB wrote:Are you both the same person?

tac is the junior forummer so can't be held equally responsible

by LeFromage Wed 19 Mar 2008, 00:01

G.Wood wrote:
JB wrote:Are you both the same person?

tac is the junior forummer so can't be held equally responsible

Ray Mali thinks he's Indian.

by tac Wed 19 Mar 2008, 00:02

Noice

by Lara Lara Laughs Wed 19 Mar 2008, 00:02

Did you know that your moniker backwards is "dooowg"? Almost like "daaawg" except not really like that at all.

by LeFromage Wed 19 Mar 2008, 00:03

Doowg - E - Howser MD.

by HH_pink Wed 19 Mar 2008, 00:05

tac wrote:
HH_pink wrote:Yes, and hence the responsibility ought to be shared unevenly. Plus, he has a history in such matters, so it is only fair to assume that it was more or less his decision and Doctrove just played along.

Massive NSR, Pinky. There is no such thing as a "junior" umpire

Dello wrote:
HH_pink wrote:Yes, and hence the responsibility ought to be shared unevenly. Plus, he has a history in such matters, so it is only fair to assume that it was more or less his decision and Doctrove just played along.

NSR.

There's no such thing as a junior umpire.

Maybe you didn't really mean it that way then, but why is there no such thing as a junior umpire (not "officially", but yeah?) ?

by JB Wed 19 Mar 2008, 00:12

Because this is Test cricket and not Junior Tiddlywinks.

by HH_pink Wed 19 Mar 2008, 00:17

Really? I need to get a sense of the real world sometime soon.

by horace Wed 19 Mar 2008, 01:10

no doubt Billy and hair agreed...nonetheless i thnk left to his own devices billy may have handled the incident and Aloo more diplomatically

by HH_pink Wed 19 Mar 2008, 01:19

Thanks horrie, my point exactly.

by tac Wed 19 Mar 2008, 01:22

HH_pink wrote:Thanks horrie, my point exactly.

Pinky in feeling grateful to Horrie for his support shock . . . Laughing

by horace Wed 19 Mar 2008, 01:25

tac wrote:
HH_pink wrote:Thanks horrie, my point exactly.

Pinky in feeling grateful to Horrie for his support shock . . .

Horrie in "sentenced to stand in the corner and tidy his room shocker" Very Happy

by HH_pink Wed 19 Mar 2008, 01:33

Ha ha fcuking ha. Laughing

by lardbucket Wed 19 Mar 2008, 01:49

Active Hair Replacement ... gets a new poster boy

by tac Wed 19 Mar 2008, 01:51

ICC Back Hair . . . obviously that Saffie, Patel, is to blame

by Makaveli Wed 19 Mar 2008, 01:58

by HH_pink Wed 19 Mar 2008, 02:02

W. T. F. ?

by Makaveli Wed 19 Mar 2008, 02:04

Ok last one promise. Laughing

by tac Wed 19 Mar 2008, 02:06

A good article that pretty much sets out the current situation re Hair.

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/baggygreen/content/story/343072.html

by HH_pink Wed 19 Mar 2008, 02:26

Merlin wrote:I apologise Pinkie - personal insults were not intended and are withdrawn unconditionally - sometimes the myopia and "tolerance" factor seem overwhelming excuses that get strewn around in order to degrade a decent official, and these drive me to distraction.

But do let's get one thing straight - my comments have absolutely NOTHING to do with racist attitudes, racism or any such crap - SO LET'S DROP THAT CARD OKAY,

Concentrate instead on the fervour with which Indian fans support their cricket.
So, an Umpire (Hair in this case) spots an infringement against the Indian team
which he labels as blatant cheating.
Do you honestly believe that the affair would have been handled any differently -
by the robot, or his fellow umpire or indeed the match officials?
Would you have wanted it to have been?
And what of the reaction of said Indian fans as the effigy manufacturers worked overtime on the monstrously large inflamable Inzaman figures?

I digress with frivolity.... but think about it.
Would there be kisses and forgiveness and demands for humility and tolerance and understanding from the BCCI when they had a billion fans baying for restitution?

Treading on eggshells is not for the faint hearted Pink.
The robot suspected cheating, he called it like he saw it, and I would suggest that India would have applauded the decision ....
but heavens ... a nations "honour" was suddenly brought to the fore (and THAT, I would submit WAS an emotive race card being played by the PCB)... as were 20 barristers and assistants!
And yet - Hair was absolved and now, a year later, restored to full duty again.

The law is just that.
It is there to protect and be upheld.
There is no easy way of introducing diplomacy to a situation that bordered on cheating.
As Tap dancing Afridi knows only too well !!

I wasn't using the race card as you suggest - I never do - I was merely suggesting that it looked as though you were trying to use it, and now you've cleared that up.

I could make only some sense out of your post, but I will say what I have to in response (I'm basically going to repeat what I said in my first post on this page). If an umpire is going to be oh-so-particular about upholding every minute entry in the rule book (and in letter more so than spirit), then he should be equally careful in first making sure that the situation in hand abso-f*ckin-lutely warrants the action he's about to take.

On another note, clearly over-reactions of this sort that get further blown up by the various parties involved are more damaging to the game (in the short, longer, and longest runs) than a minor infringement of an obscure law ('obscure' not referring to anything particular in this case or elsewhere, just in general) in the rule book. Hence my point about a lot more thought needing to go into such decisions; certainly far more than an "if->then" robot can handle.

by horace Wed 19 Mar 2008, 02:50

i am sure pinky is not implying that rules governing ball tampering are obscure

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