Jaipur blasts

SG wrote:

what does being in power have anything to do with it?

Quite a bit. You've whole state machinery at your disposal to carry out your agenda though '92 riots in Maharashtra proved an exception to that theory.

Like Congress did in Punjab and Delhi and Left in Nandigram in WB? But we never hear that from you. Only BJP must be blamed for Godhra. I wonder why?

The One wrote:

*Buckaroo* wrote:whatever you have said until now repeats propaganda spouted by western media which is a result of your being located in the west.

Either that or you are too young or have lived a protected life.

because all you have done here is to score self-goals.

we are fighting amongst ourselves and justifying horrific acts of terror against our people.

Please realize the context while bringing up your arguments.

c ya

lol! i have lived pretty much all my life in india save a couple of years. no one is justifying attacks here, but before lashing out at whole countries, which is extremely hard to control and not in our capability, we should try and make sure that we are doing our best at home. and we quite clearly are not. the indian state is rotten and stuck in a colonial mind-set. can you travel without fear in rural parts of n-e, andhra, bihar, orissa, etc? of course not. a large proportion of the country's land area is not under the writ of the indian state, that points to a very basic internal problem

i would be happy enough if india broke up into smaller parts. the west and the south dont particularly care for the north or the east and in fact quite resent the socially backward but politically powerful north

Breaking up into small parts will just hand it on a platter to those who aspire to have a "Shariah empire" spanning from Turkey thru to Indonesia. The South and West are not even self sufficient in many aspects, something the Thackerays/Karunanidhis of the world don't even think about before spouting their bile. India needs more time. What it has achieved in the last 15 years is remarkable. Things will be so much different for the better in another 15 years. That I am sure.

Josh Carney wrote:

The One wrote:

*Buckaroo* wrote:whatever you have said until now repeats propaganda spouted by western media which is a result of your being located in the west.

Either that or you are too young or have lived a protected life.

because all you have done here is to score self-goals.

we are fighting amongst ourselves and justifying horrific acts of terror against our people.

Please realize the context while bringing up your arguments.

c ya

lol! i have lived pretty much all my life in india save a couple of years. no one is justifying attacks here, but before lashing out at whole countries, which is extremely hard to control and not in our capability, we should try and make sure that we are doing our best at home. and we quite clearly are not. the indian state is rotten and stuck in a colonial mind-set. can you travel without fear in rural parts of n-e, andhra, bihar, orissa, etc? of course not. a large proportion of the country's land area is not under the writ of the indian state, that points to a very basic internal problem

i would be happy enough if india broke up into smaller parts. the west and the south dont particularly care for the north or the east and in fact quite resent the socially backward but politically powerful north

Breaking up into small parts will just hand it on a platter to those who aspire to have a "Shariah empire" spanning from Turkey thru to Indonesia. The South and West are not even self sufficient in many aspects, something the Thackerays/Karunanidhis of the world don't even think about before spouting their bile. India needs more time. What it has achieved in the last 15 years is remarkable. Things will be so much different for the better in another 15 years. That I am sure.

What India has achieved in the past 50 years is also remarkable. But I agree, there's no question of a breakup in my mind.

south and west are not self-sufficient? what do you need to be self-sufficient? in a lot of areas things have gotten much worse in the last 15 years, the dichotomy in india is amazing. there have hardly been any judicial, political or administrative reforms in the last decade, the basics of the indian state are still the same with corruption getting much worse

all this crap about india inevitably becoming a great power grates me. there is nothing inevitable about it, and we have hardly started our journey

The needs hierarchy pyramid is at work. People need food clothing and water first ie the basics then comes security followed by things like justice, self esteem etc. Parts of India which are doing OK with the basics have moved on the rest are catching up. But they will all get there.

Imagine letting go the East which then becomes a big communist regime. Wouldn't that be great for the security of the South and the West ?

It is a shortsighted, narrow minded idea to talk about break up given the volatility of the region.

The east isn't going to turn into a communist regime. Two states are CPM heavy, the others are the usual alternating between Congress and BJP.

And the west would be the most badly hit if a break up happens. With Thackeray and Modi as the big leaders, I'd give them 10 years before a genocide takes place. Then maybe an effort to invade Pakistan or something.

It is a shortsighted, narrow minded idea to talk about break up given the volatility of the region.

Can't agree more with this.

Its insane to talk about breaking India. As doremi said there would be total anarchy in west in that case. I even shudder to think what would the likes of Thackreys and Modis would do to western India?

Two states are CPM heavy

Right now Communists are ruling 3 eastern states, with one of them alternating between them and Cong for each poll.

SG wrote:

It is a shortsighted, narrow minded idea to talk about break up given the volatility of the region.

Can't agree more with this.

Its insane to talk about breaking India. As doremi said there would be total anarchy in west in that case. I even shudder to think what would the likes of Thackreys and Modis would do to western India?

It certainly won't be as worse as Sikh Genocides, Nandigram messacres, Bihar style Private armies like Ranvir Sena dispensing justice[courtsey Laloo and Congress], Mini Bangladeshes, Khalistans, OBCstans, Dalitistans, Christianistans, Emergency, separate Kashmirs, Constitutional abuses to favour Muslims and anti-Hindu Gods affidavits in Supreme Courts humiliating the entire majority community at large.....


Who knows how much development the kind seen in Gujarat may percolate down the line.....

Edit: There's just no reasoning with bootlickers who will still turn a blind eye to all the ills that plague the system selectively.

lol! are you saying being the rest of 'civilised' india is keeping the west from imploding? with no land boundary with pakistan most of the problems of the 'other' would dissapear, pakistan is more a northern obsession anyways. for every thackeray or modi there is an advani or jyoti basu and many more

the west is the richest (per capita) and most industrialised region in india, i think it would do pretty well without the albatross round its neck

anyways all wishful thinking on my part. i doubt india's 'core' states are going to break apart now. there seems to be a common indian identity which has been forged in the last 60 years

Josh Carney wrote:We cannot take our frustrations out on people like Faisal because of what Pakistan may or may not be doing. If anything it is when the majority of Pakistan starts thinking like Faisal that things will really undergo change. Until then it will be the endless musical chair or dictators / Jehadis and brief flirtations with Democracy.

I appreciate your support but i don't understand why you think that average Pakistanis can't think of anything other than hating India/Indians.
I take that you have never been to Pakistan or have much contact with Pakistanis .
For starters you can read Rahul Bhattacharya's book, here is a quote from one of Indian visitors who came to Pakistan in 2004

"It was an overwhelming experience at Karachi 's National Stadium where the Pakistanis were throwing chocolates at the Indian fans cheering their team. Quite a few were carrying the flags of both countries imaginatively stitched together. The guy on the street selling bhuttas refused to accept money from us and so did some restaurant owners saying that we were their guests!"

"Almost each of the 8,000 Indians who went to Pakistan for the 2004 cricket series had a story to tell ? of a shop-keeper who wouldn?t take money, a taxi-driver who refused the fare and the perfect stranger who called them home for dinner. ?Feudal Pakistan thrives on mehman-nawazi ? or hospitality,? says Shahid Fiaz, a Pakistani member of the Pakistan India People?s Forum for Peace and Democracy. ?And Pakistanis have always had a sense of nostalgia about India,? he says.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050306/asp/look/story_4455715.asp

but i don't understand why you think that average Pakistanis can't think of anything other than hating India/Indians.

Faisal, the problem isn't exactly the average Pakistani.

have you ever read what the Urdu newspapers of Pakistan publish, heck even mainstream newspapers of Pakistan are full of hatred against Hindus. In fact it is nauseating to read. In no other part of the world does such open hatred pass of for journalism.

Faisal do you know what happened a month ago. When a hindu worker in Karachi was brutally murdered by a mob of 1000 people, and then to cover up their action they said that he had blasphemed the prophet or some such shite. Not a single one of your Indian or Hindu loving Pakistanis stood up for the poor fellow.

the problem isn't exactly the average Pakistani, though that too is in a mess, the problem is the elite of Pakistan who very cleverly manipulates the mind of the average Pakistani into hating India especially the hindu, while he himself maintains a liberal facade for the rest of the world.

Hey SG - Incidentally, what I never expect our 'knowledgeable' SG to know is that Gujarat since 4 decades has always been a communal tinderbox. More riots and communal clashes happened in 20 years of Congress rule after independence. Cities on the western side like Ahmedbad, Godhra, Baroda, Surat, Bharuch and Navsari were prone to communal clashes frequently, [even over results of Indo-Pak matches, as frivolous as that] and that having a curfew once a week was the norm. The 'sponsored' pogrom of Gujarat cannot be proven without taking into account the Hindu retaliation after the train torching incident happened. It's certain politicians on both sides took advantage and the NDA paid the price by losing the last Lok sabha elections. But we have not seen any BJP leader leading mobs on the streets to kill minorities certainly the way the likes of Tyler and Bhagat did in Delhi slaughtering Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assasination. In 1970s 700 Muslims died in a major communal frenzy in Ahmedabad after riots brole out following a communal flare up during a Hindu festival even as Indira Gandhi and Morarji Desai were locked in a power struggle under Congress. You will NEVER take note of that goes without saying.

So it is ironic as well that in the last 5 years of Modi rule, Gujarat has not witnessed a single communal riot and that the curfews in cities that happened frequently especially when festivals on both sides came by are now a thing of the past.

It bears repeating that of all states and cities that witnessed terror attacks last 5 years since last Lok Sabha elections [this includes most major cities and states], no Gujarat city or state figures in it. neither did terror attacks on muslim mosques [Hyderabad, Ajmer, Malegaon] happen under any BJP rule at center, nor in the states of Gujarat or Maharashtra under BJP-SS where the so called 'facist hindu militants' [as projected by Congress bootlickers] are the strongest.

One wonders then that now that both communities have finally accepted to co-exist peacefully under Modi, when muslims have started voting and accepting him back and when Gujarat is prospering and moving ahead, why does Congress keep talking up Godhra, scrathing old wounds and why do they keep attempting to inflame the communal passions again and again? They cannot let that happen since it will expose their shallowness and any atmosphere of Hindu-Muslim unity will be detrimental to their existance since it will end their votebank politicis. If you don't have castes and classes to divide people on, whose cause can you project yourself to fight for to win elections when everything else fails?

However it is ironic that the so called 'champions of secularism and minorities' - led by Congress and Left with it's appeasement policies are seeing more and more terror attacks on the very muslims now alongwith Hindus under it's out of control rule....

They are in a no man's land now, deeply untrusted by the majority and losing faith in the minorities as well........

Any 'genocide' that will happen in the future will happen not because Modi or Thackerey are in power but because Congress and their regional and communal allies are incapable of protecting the people and doing something really progressive for them without raking up their regional and caste based identities in the process, the lieks which sees it's dangerous zenith in teh current UPA regime. That Raj Thackery is formenting communal trouble against North Indians with Congress blesisngs in Mumbai is no state secret as he will never be arrested since Congress here does not want to antagonize their rural marathi votebanks in an election year. It is ironic that only BJP is seeking his arrest and Congress-NCP despite having authority and power are sittting as mute spectators even as Maharashtra sits on a tinder box.

But of course SG it is somehow the BJP's fault I am sure in your little world of Sonia Gandhi and her poor Indian cub. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil was once Gandhhiji's mantra for leading a pious life, which the true blue Congress and it's bootlickers have now adopted to turn a blind eye to their own cardinal sins. Which is why we will have the likes of Arjun Singh peldging loyalty to the 'royal' family insetad of the country even as he destroys the pillars of fair education and turning the youth of the country against one another. Congress will never see the poison of communal and caste identities that they have sown in education and in the minds of the youth with their politically ambitious 'reservation policy'. Of course it is but 'Secular and Inclusive'.

Divide and Rule for 50 years and still no end in sight. It is ironic that that the late Rajiv Gandhi himself accused VP Singh of dividing the society on caste lines when the Mandal Reservations first came up under Janata Dal rule in 1990. So many students lost their lives in protest in it's fallout back then and yet your Congress refused to learn it's lessons from it, extending it further [Sonia supporting the vary cause Rajiv said was divisive ironically]. Morality and Principles are not the necessary hallmarks of governance then. Anyways hobnobbing with the likes of Karunanidhi and the Tamil Nadu parties who are known sympathisers of LTTE [the very militant organization that kileld Rajiv Gandhi ironically], exposes how morally bankrupt and shameless Congress can be to taste power. Politics sure make strange bedfellows.

This then will be the real cause of future civil wars and not because of otherwise largely peaceful Hindus who are now third class citizens in their own country.

SG should feel ashamed of himself to be a Hindu for supporting such a facist anti-Hindu party and speaking for their duplitious communal cause.




That said I am still awaiting some facts from you, a single reason that could logically justify your Arjun Singh like psychophantic loyalty to such a party. Or perhaps pet dogs are not allowed to bark without permission from their mistress? You stand exposed with every single post you make revealing your psychophancy, shallow, subverted, without thought and without dignity. You are a true 'Arjun' of your party for sure.....

More 'Lies' for shit eating bootlicker like SG to feed upon -

Sardar Patel and M. K. Gandhi's dreams were massacred a long back by Congress with their unending Muslim Appeasement and Caste based Reservations that has now sharpened communal divide and promoted the extent of Hate politics which is abused by every political party now. Don't know which world you are living. In a truly secular country everyone is treated equally and weaker sections of all communities are brought up irrespective of caste and creed. Congress Divide & Rule Policies gave birth to both BJP and Hindutva. Every Action has an equal & opposite reaction. When one political party blatantly focuses too much on one section of people & win elections it will inspire someone else to take up the cause of the rest and do the same. By vote or blood. This is what happened in Lanka, Pak, Bangla & now is happening in India. Ironical as it sounds truth is without Congress there would have been no BJP. Congress is now at mercy of most regional & communal parties in Bihar, WB, AP, TN etc because that is what they sowed for 50 years in power after independence. They are the true Hitlers and Communal Force creating LTTE and Sikh insurgency, ULFA, Naxals, Misusing Emergency and Article 360 & promoting a dynastic rule disguised as Secular Democracy where their secularism starts and ends solely with so called backwards & minorities who have been kept backwards deliberately for 50 years to keep Congress in unquestioned power. Some startling observations -

1] They promise Gujarat Muslims that justice in Godhara will be done if they come to power. But they promised the same in Maharashtra saying they would book Mumbai rioters and give justice to Muslims by implementing findings of Sri Krishna Report and since 8 years now they have been sitting on it and done nothing.

2] They talk about Godhara, and forget Sikh riots and keep mum over Nandigram

3] They accuse BJP of Communalism for banning Parzania and then secularly ban Da Vinci Code, 9/11 and Jo Bole So Nihaal to keep Sikhs, Muslims and Christians happy

4] They talk about farmers committing suicide in Gujarat and ignore record breaking numbers of farmer suicides in their own ruled Maharashtra and AP

5] They accuse BJP in Gujarat as a lying Govt after misleading people, misusing CBI and lying about Bofors for 15 years

6] They reject BJP's communal anti-conversion bill in Gujarat and enact the same one ‘ secularly’ in Himachal Pradesh

7] They make singing Vande Mataram compulsory and then backtrack by accusing BJP of being Muslim bashers

8] They talk about electricity problems in Gujarat and forget the fact that Maharashtra village suffer 16 hours load shedding and even Mumbai suburbs face 5 hour outages

9] They talk about farmers plight only to loot their lands for personal development of Industrialists in name of SEZ after failing farmers committing suicide

10] They talk of Aam Aadmi then hold them at ransom at mercy of builders and deprive them of affordable housing, increase taxes and make life hell for middle class honest tax payers, Congest roads with cheaper and cheaper private cars and do nothing to increase public transport [except only in New Delhi].

11] They take morchas to protest Danish cartoons, Arm Twist Taslima to appease Mullahs, Change Constitutions and kill rights of Muslim women to appease Mullahs in Shah Bano case and even abuse Constitution to free terrorists like Madasi and not hang Afzal and support M F Hussian who likes painting nudes of Hindu Goddesses, but have no shame filing affidavits questioning Lord Rama's existence, shamelessly call Sonia Goddess Durga and say nothing to Hindu abusers like Karunanidhi, Karats and Yechurys

12] They talk of Sohrabuddin's encounter and accuse BJP of being communal and ignore Khwaja Yunus fake encounter under Congress-NCP misrule in Maharashtra.

It is funny to hear Kapil Sibal say after losing Gujarat elections that even Hitler was once elected in Germany democratically and that people of Gujarat had elected one. After Partition, Operation Bluestar and Nandigram - Congress has least moral authority to talk about facism. It's like Stalin, Sadam and Mussolini calling Hitler a dictator. He failed to accept gracefully that the electorate had a mind of it's own and had rejected his party and sought to call the people of Gujarat communal on losing the elections. Before elections he was calling them great who would reject Modi and kill satan once and for all. Such a loser party. And then after publicly abusing the mandate of 5 million people they wonder why they were such bad losers.

Now how about some factual 'truths' to counter my BJP paid spokesperson 'lies'?

The One wrote:lol! are you saying being the rest of 'civilised' india is keeping the west from imploding? with no land boundary with pakistan most of the problems of the 'other' would dissapear, pakistan is more a northern obsession anyways. for every thackeray or modi there is an advani or jyoti basu and many more

the west is the richest (per capita) and most industrialised region in india, i think it would do pretty well without the albatross round its neck

anyways all wishful thinking on my part. i doubt india's 'core' states are going to break apart now. there seems to be a common indian identity which has been forged in the last 60 years

How else do you expect bootlicking arsed Congress followers will think?

FFS. Maharashtra, Gujarat and Karnataka generate the most revenue and pay most taxes to Center's coffers and it all goes waste trying to keep states like Bihar, Kashmir, Orissa, Jharkhand, West Bengal, Kerala, UP etc with it's regressive governments and backwardsness up and in keeping Delhi up for the comfort of a majority of the politcians living there.....

Kashmir and the North East staes with terrorist issues on a day to day basis I can understand but there is no excuse why the rest aren't stepping up the pedal. Why can't there be more accountability and why can't states generating development have a greater share of their own funds for development? Why can't there be performance criteria and why should mineral and labour blessed big states like UP, WB and Bihar live off our funds? Why are peforming states punished for performing well and are getting lesser development money and why are non-performing states getting more of it instead of pulling them up and making them perform? Disbursal of funds should also have performance as a yardsticks and regional corrupt govts not doing enough must be pushed for generating their own revenue.....

We definately could use our own funds better instead of begging to the Center for a greater portion of our own money.....

Incidentally poor BJP is crying foul over Congress scrapping it's POTA act [PREVENTION OF TERRORIST ACTIVITIES] and has been arguing and challenging Congress on it's soft stand against terrorism by demanding the act's re-instatement.

Poor BJP fails to understand that Congress with it's exclusive Muslim Appeasment Policy and excessive control of police actions has already unofficially been quietly implementing POTA of it's own..........It is called PROTECTION OF TERRORIST ACTIVITIES or even PROMOTION OF TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.............!!!!!

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JD we def need a very angry emoticon......

PlanetPakistan wrote:

Josh Carney wrote:We cannot take our frustrations out on people like Faisal because of what Pakistan may or may not be doing. If anything it is when the majority of Pakistan starts thinking like Faisal that things will really undergo change. Until then it will be the endless musical chair or dictators / Jehadis and brief flirtations with Democracy.

I appreciate your support but i don't understand why you think that average Pakistanis can't think of anything other than hating India/Indians.
I take that you have never been to Pakistan or have much contact with Pakistanis .
For starters you can read Rahul Bhattacharya's book, here is a quote from one of Indian visitors who came to Pakistan in 2004

"It was an overwhelming experience at Karachi 's National Stadium where the Pakistanis were throwing chocolates at the Indian fans cheering their team. Quite a few were carrying the flags of both countries imaginatively stitched together. The guy on the street selling bhuttas refused to accept money from us and so did some restaurant owners saying that we were their guests!"

"Almost each of the 8,000 Indians who went to Pakistan for the 2004 cricket series had a story to tell ? of a shop-keeper who wouldn?t take money, a taxi-driver who refused the fare and the perfect stranger who called them home for dinner. ?Feudal Pakistan thrives on mehman-nawazi ? or hospitality,? says Shahid Fiaz, a Pakistani member of the Pakistan India People?s Forum for Peace and Democracy. ?And Pakistanis have always had a sense of nostalgia about India,? he says.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050306/asp/look/story_4455715.asp

Faisal, from what I have seen "an anti India posture on the back of a wider Islamic agenda" is perhaps the strongest force that seems to galvanise all the various Pakistani troubled factions under the one banner. It may sound harsh but that seems to be the case. Everytime there are volatile issues in Pakistan invariably the Government in power tends to create some diversion against India and that seems to take away the heat. The root problem to me here, lies in the fact that majority of the people there will put religion above state when push comes to shove. That sort of a sentiment will always be exploited. Has been for ever and a day in the middle east and Pakistan is no exception.

PlanetPakistan wrote:

Josh Carney wrote:We cannot take our frustrations out on people like Faisal because of what Pakistan may or may not be doing. If anything it is when the majority of Pakistan starts thinking like Faisal that things will really undergo change. Until then it will be the endless musical chair or dictators / Jehadis and brief flirtations with Democracy.

I appreciate your support but i don't understand why you think that average Pakistanis can't think of anything other than hating India/Indians.
I take that you have never been to Pakistan or have much contact with Pakistanis .
For starters you can read Rahul Bhattacharya's book, here is a quote from one of Indian visitors who came to Pakistan in 2004

"It was an overwhelming experience at Karachi 's National Stadium where the Pakistanis were throwing chocolates at the Indian fans cheering their team. Quite a few were carrying the flags of both countries imaginatively stitched together. The guy on the street selling bhuttas refused to accept money from us and so did some restaurant owners saying that we were their guests!"

"Almost each of the 8,000 Indians who went to Pakistan for the 2004 cricket series had a story to tell ? of a shop-keeper who wouldn?t take money, a taxi-driver who refused the fare and the perfect stranger who called them home for dinner. ?Feudal Pakistan thrives on mehman-nawazi ? or hospitality,? says Shahid Fiaz, a Pakistani member of the Pakistan India People?s Forum for Peace and Democracy. ?And Pakistanis have always had a sense of nostalgia about India,? he says.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050306/asp/look/story_4455715.asp

That was good bonhomie shown by Pak people during that tour but seriously you can't take that one isolated incident as representation of average citizen's sentiments towards India.

I must say things are changing on that front but not fast enough.

Lovely Bucks, just what Congress really wants - More Jehadi scums breaking in with the 'peace buses' through the front door......

I firmly believe there is no scope for any buses and trains until Pak and Banglas shut up their Jehadi camps up for good.

the irony in that is what is inescapable

IPL to donate Rs 60 mn for Jaipur blast victims

The eight franchisee owners and sponsors of the Indian Premier League (IPL) have decided to donate Rs 60 million for the victims of the serial bombings that rocked the city on Tuesday.

"The eight franchisees and five sponsors of the league would come together to donate Rs 6 crores towards the Rajasthan chief minister's relief fund, as aid towards the victims of the terror attacks in Jaipur. This contribution will go towards the rehabilitation of the affected families of the victims," IPL chairman and commissioner said in a statement on Friday.

A cheque would be handed over to the Rajasthan Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje during Saturday's game between Rajasthan team and the Bangalore team.

The eight franchises have donated Rs 5 million each, while the five sponsors namely DLF Ltd, Vodafone, Citibank, Kingfisher and Hero Honda have contributed Rs 4 million each, the statement said.

As a mark of respect to the victims of the terror attacks, both the teams will wear black armbands during the game on Saturday.

All the border violations are generally an indication of "unrest" brewing in Pakistan and that has been confirmed by the resumption of suicide bombing in NW Pakistan after a lull of 3 months. The Pakistani Taliban have claimed responsibility for this act at Mardan and cited the resumption of army action as the cause.

One gets a bad feeling that it is all heading down the same familiar road as before.

Here is an account of how all the so called 'Secular' parties led by Congress have kept Muslims backwards and paid only lip service for votes and how these bloody 'Secular' communal bastiches kept Hindus and Muslims polarised for so long since independence. Congress has some strange policies speaking of how Muslims remain backwards, asking for Muslim headcounts in private sector and even Indian Army when fact is they ruled 50/60 years and kept them backwards and only for using them to win votebanks using the Hindu bogey.....

Keeping the Muslim down
- Firoz Bakht Ahmed [Hindustan Times - Firoz Bakht Ahmed is a commentator on social, educational and religious issues]

Exploited for electoral purposes, cajoled and subjected to lip-service by so-called ‘secularist’ parties and ‘Muslim leaders’, the Muslim community of India stands at a crossroad. Earlier this month, the Centre was questioned by the Delhi High Court regarding the implementation of Sachar Committee recommendations for the welfare of Muslims. The bench told the government that it was “trying to please one community” and that it should not be fighting against poverty for one community only.”

‘Minorityism’ in India has been an abominable misnomer. It is time that we give up this ghettoised ‘minority-majority’ mindset. The voice of reason demands that educational standards and qualifications must be uniform, irrespective of religion or language. If a minority status is to be granted, it should not be on the basis of language or religion but as per the United Nations charter that states that quotas should be provided for all disadvantaged and have-nots.

Misled by their fundamentalist leaders playing to the gallery, Indian Muslims have acquired a ghetto mindset by sticking to the non-progressive and archaic attitudes. Children are not sent to modern schools and girls are kept away from schools altogether. Often misguided by their peers, they have no desire to work, compete and come up in life. Obscurantism, poverty, ignorance and instability have become such common features among Muslims that their detractors assume that these are the natural consequences of following the teachings of Islam.

What is to be lamented is the advocacy by secular and progressive elements in society and polity of ‘uniting’ Muslim Indians on the basis of religion and keeping them apart from the majority of Hindus that goes country beautiful interfaith fabric of the Indian Constitution. Frankly, a minority status, rather than helping the backward within the community, has harmed their cause. It is this term, ‘minority’, that has, over the years, led to political manipulation to the extent that the parties supported by the RSS have been only too happy to cajole others to ‘appease’ this community with the ‘most favoured minority’ status.

According to legal scholar Mohammad Atyab Siddiqui’s Law of Education, although the Constitution recognises ‘minorities’ based on language or religion, no improvement in the status of minorities has been observed owing to the impracticality of these provisions. So it makes sense for such a hollow gesture to be done away so as to allow the community to compete alongside the rest of Indians. There’s the Ministry of Minority Affairs, a white elephant that has done little since its inception because of a lack of intentions or funds. But even as it is, the Ministry has done nothing to ameliorate the condition of ‘backward minorities’.

Muslims should stop looking at charity in the form of quotas and instead accept the challenges of a competitive life. People like Maulana Azad, Zakir Hussain, Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed and APJ Abdul Kalam did not come up using the short cut of quotas but by working hard and facing open competition.

The Rs 150 crore Haj subsidy that Muslims get, for instance, is actually jeopardising their case. The government should provide Muslims with proper educational paraphernalia rather than issuing such grants and sops that are more like begging bowls than actually help. Announcements, such as the one made during Budget 2008 about Rs 1,000 crore being earmarked for the uplift of minorities and Rs 350 crore for the modernisation of madrasas are, to put it plainly, rubbish. Such schemes in the past have failed to do anything concrete for Muslims. [Note - Congress alms for 'minority welfare']

Thanks to their leadership, Indian Muslims live in unofficial apartheid. Hindus and Muslims have developed separately (as in Gujarat), very often wholly ignorant of what is in the other’s mind. This ghetto existence has allowed the rise of a class of political middlemen who serve as interlocutors between the Muslim masses and the rest of Indian society.

The Muslim leadership has lost its voice and its utility. Most of the leaders are brokers who play the politics of vote banks to acquire state patronage for themselves and their coteries. Their obscurantism is leading the community backwards. They are characterised by petty mindedness and a narrow outlook that is so out of tune with reality that it is downright irresponsible.

The Gopal Singh Report of 1983 and the Education Policy of 1986 had recorded neo-Buddhists and Muslims as the most backward communities in the country. The situation has not changed. Muslims represent between 12 (official) and 25 (unofficial) per cent of the population, but they hold less than 1 per cent of the jobs in India’s bureaucracy and in schools and colleges. The community occupies the lowest rung in the development index. Its literacy rate is poor and it has a low presence in private and public sector jobs. All these add to a feeling that Indian Muslims are discriminated against. To cap it all, Muslims — mainly the poor — are at the receiving end in most outbreaks of communal violence. [Note - Periods when BJP was not even born]

According to a survey by the Friends for Education, almost 52 per cent Muslims live below the poverty line (compared to 25 per cent of all Indians). Of every 100 Muslim girls admitted in schools at the primary level, only four pass out at high school while only one makes it to a college. The literacy level is a shocking 28 per cent and graduates and postgraduates form less than 1 per cent of the total. In the field of medicine, the percentage is just 2.4 while in the judiciary, it doesn’t go beyond 3.1 per cent.

The need of the hour is to vigorously support the inbuilt social reform current growing within the Muslim community, to promote literacy and education campaigns, to insist on gender equality in family and inheritance laws, to enhance girl child education and create opportunities for hapless Muslims so that they empower themselves through the acquisition of education and new skills.
[Question - How did Congress fail to achieve that in 50 years of rule and who can they blame now if Muslims stayed backwards SG?]




Edit: This than is the root cause of Hindu - Muslim disparity and cause of why Pak militants and ISI are now finding recruits and success on Indian territory where terror attacks are concerned. Congress should also accept that they kicked out an honest upright Muslim President like Kalam who refused to consent to the Offices Of Profit bill aimed at protecting Sonia Gandhi and also for questioning her right to be Indian PM [which was later camouflaged in a well choreographed drama of Sonia sacrificing PM's post]. But of course some bootlickers always find pathetic excuses to make BJP scapegoats and somehow blame Hindutva cover up for their own satanic sins of Divide and Rule.....Like I pointed out earlier, the bloody Congress bastiches and their controlled media only bother to talk about Muslims post-Godhra. No one from their parties or media ever bothers to talk about the 58 people burned to death in a train on one fateful day and check how the victims' families are coping or IF they got justice? Thats because no votes can be gained from sympathizing with them and no stories to sell in media interviews. Muslim terrorists like Madasi and Afzal Guru will continue to be given patronage by these 'Sickular' parties. The Muslim women will continue to have their rights trampled by such 'Sickular - Secular' Congress passing laws in Parliament that keep them backwards like in Shah Bano Case. Also to be a Hindu or an upper caste in this land of Hinduism is now a sin. The nation does not care if you are not a dalit or a muslim. That is the politics of election Congress has introduced, a malaise that the whole nation suffers from the hands of such divisive and cunningly criminal 'Sickular' parties.

Is it any wonder that even after 50 years of such communal motions we have some idiotic brainwashed Congress bootlickers here finding faults to a mere 5 years of our 60 year blood soaked history pretending the rest of the 50 years of 'Sickular' facism never happened?

Get Well soon SG!

Here SG, we have it straight from the horse's mouth - Congress' appeasement and illegal Bangladeshi regularization at the cost of the nation just for getting more votes. So what if they turn militant and help terrorists? So what if we don't have enough food for the poor and enough jobs for the unemployed poor but we must give them food and jobs for votes. So what if it is a threat to our demography and internal culture and security.....all aliens must be welcomed with open arms and be allowed to do as they please.....No responsible leader in world would talk so openly justifying illegal aliens in the country publicly.....


It’s India’s tradition to welcome all: Dikshit


New Delhi, May 20: In the backdrop of the issue of illegal Bangladeshi migrants gaining prominence following the Jaipur serial blasts, Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit said it is the tradition of India to welcome all those who come here.

"Migration of Bangladeshis into India is not a new phenomenon as our borders are porous. Moreover, it has been in our tradition to welcome all those who arrive in our country," Dikshit said.
She was responding to a question on the issue of Bangladeshi migrants in the capital and the steps being taken by her government with regard to them.

Asked about illegal Bangladeshi migrants allegedly being issued ration cards, Dikshit said: "Allotment of ration cards is generally being done as per procedure and guidelines, with minimum stay and income being among the criteria. And above all, nobody can be left without food." [Note - Anyone can come in and get Indian citizenship without any verification and become one of us. We will be good hosts while the guests bleed us to death and the economy at large].

To a question on complaints about inadequate representation of minorities in the Delhi elections, she said,

"It is nothing like that. This time too we gave tickets to three or four persons. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. We have one Minister and three MLAs from the minority community. We have never neglected them earlier or will do so in future."

The Centre and the Rajasthan government have locked horns over Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje's claim that a suggestion was made to put illegal Bangladeshi migrants in a ‘transit camp’, a charge refuted by Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil.




So SG, still feel like licking boots of these traitors out to ruin the country?
All Pak terrorists are fools tryingto sneak in India. All they need to do is just walk into Delhi and Mrs Dik-shit will welcome them with open arms.....