Jaipur blasts

I see the great bootlicking psychophant has become Mr. India now - Invisible when his owners stand naked and exposed with nowhere left to run and hide.

The Emperor's new clothes are revealing indeed.....

This keeps getting better. The great 'Sickular' Congress and it's pansy home minister [who has not won a single election to date] now defends his decision to not hang Afzal, the terrorist proven and sentenced by Supreme Court [no less] to death for his role in attacking the Indian Parliament [an act of war] by saying that with Sarabjit hanging issue still not settled in Pakistan we can't hang a single terrorist here.

It was the same bloody Congress that kept Azhar Masood in prison without trying him and without even chargesheeting him for 4 years along with the othet two militants who eventually had to be freed in Kandahar to save the lives of 180 hostages.

What a joke SG.

This is how your bloody Congress makes excuses even as it makes tall claims of fighting terror 'tooth and nail'. FFS, the bastich home minister has the gall to say that 'the law will take it's own course'. Excuse me? But didn't a three tier justice system and the law of the land condemn him to be hanged till death? How much compromise will be made with national security just to stay in power in J&K?

So what next? How long before they turn this land into another jehadistan as well, welcoming most Bangladeshi and Pak fundamentalists and promoting such people bypassing the law of land and need for national security?

By the time people like you come to their senses it will be too late for this nation.

Get well soon SG.

*Buckaroo* wrote:

but i don't understand why you think that average Pakistanis can't think of anything other than hating India/Indians.

Faisal, the problem isn't exactly the average Pakistani.

have you ever read what the Urdu newspapers of Pakistan publish, heck even mainstream newspapers of Pakistan are full of hatred against Hindus. In fact it is nauseating to read. In no other part of the world does such open hatred pass of for journalism. .

You are fully aware that the Indian newspaper don't always praise Pakistan either.

*Buckaroo* wrote:
Faisal do you know what happened a month ago. When a hindu worker in Karachi was brutally murdered by a mob of 1000 people, and then to cover up their action they said that he had blasphemed the prophet or some such shite. Not a single one of your Indian or Hindu loving Pakistanis stood up for the poor fellow.

Yes i remember it very well, it was a terrible incident but once again you are mentioning just one incident. You very well know that i can name numerous incidents where Muslims or Pakistanis were terrribly treated by the Indians. At least remember the certain Kashmir Singh who was recently let go by Pakistan when only a few weeks ago Pakistani citizen(M Akram) had his heart, kidney lungs and other body parts taken out after he died in Amritsar jail . Speaking of Amritsar i remember this man called Sarabjit Singh who killed numerous innocent Pakistani citizens in 3 bomb blasts in Punjab in fact one of his bomb blasts was literally a mile away from my house killing 2 children and injuring several others. Even a person like him was allowed to meet his family while Khalid Mahmood was BEATEN to death.

I would have never brought these things up because i know these discussions can turn ugly and don't point to any solution but unfortunately you had to be reminded that mistakes have been made by both sides and unfortunately these mistakes will be REPEATED in future as well but the LAST thing that we can do is to paint the entire country with the same brush. So instead of pointing fingers at each other its time to move on and should be celebrating the recent peace talks between the top officials and some how end this mess for ever.

SG wrote:
That was good bonhomie shown by Pak people during that tour but seriously you can't take that one isolated incident as representation of average citizen's sentiments towards India..

First of all it was not one isolated incident where a certain Pakistani helped out an Indian, there were 8,000 your countrymen there Surrender and almost every single one of them had a gleeful story to tell.

Let me give you one more example of my state Florida where we have thousands of Indians,Pakistanis, hindus, muslims etc yet i have not heard of too many incidents where there was a even a minor conflict between a hindu and a Muslim due to the religious differences. If Pakistanis hate Indians or vice versa then why instead of being at each other's throat we live so peacefully and actually are very good friends with each other?

p.s reading some of these posts i get the impression that you folks(buck, josh, SG) have not travelled much outside India or have certainly not lived outside IND for too long.

Faisal I have lived outside Indian for over 20 years now. You are not acknowledging the underlying issue here which is that a country formed in the name of a religion can never be really secular. That is not say that there can be ugly incidents in democratic/secular countries as has been witnessed in USA, UK and many other parts of Europe.

Yes i remember it very well, it was a terrible incident but once again you are mentioning just one incident. You very well know that i can name numerous incidents where Muslims or Pakistanis were terrribly treated by the Indians. At least remember the certain Kashmir Singh who was recently let go by Pakistan when only a few weeks ago Pakistani citizen(M Akram) had his heart, kidney lungs and other body parts taken out after he died in Amritsar jail . Speaking of Amritsar i remember this man called Sarabjit Singh who killed numerous innocent Pakistani citizens in 3 bomb blasts in Punjab in fact one of his bomb blasts was literally a mile away from my house killing 2 children and injuring several others. Even a person like him was allowed to meet his family while Khalid Mahmood was BEATEN to death.

I would have never brought these things up because i know these discussions can turn ugly and don't point to any solution but unfortunately you had to be reminded that mistakes have been made by both sides and unfortunately these mistakes will be REPEATED in future as well but the LAST thing that we can do is to paint the entire country with the same brush. So instead of pointing fingers at each other its time to move on and should be celebrating the recent peace talks between the top officials and some how end this mess for ever.

If his heart, kidney, lungs were missing then it is obvious that a post-mortem was conducted on him and the viscera was retained in India. I am sure as much would be informed to the Pakistanis as well. But they had to create the usual chest-beating tamasha for benefit of folks back home. Look how the evil hindu India took his kidneys et al ..

Sarabjit Singh .. do you recall how a Pakistani witness said that he didn't recall Sarabjit anywhere as was mentioned in his testimony. The Police force of Pakistan which is used to washing down bomb blasts scenes with fire hoses in another forensic masterpiece caught the first Indian they could and put the blame on him. Their skills put CSI Miami to shame. Sarabjit was in all likelihood a spy like Kashmir Singh who had blown his cover, but they found it convenient to position him as a Manjit who was actually responsible according to them.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/04sarab.htm

Apparently that fellow has changed his statement again and now says he is now convinced that Sarabjit is the one.

Khalid Mehmood I dunno what is the case. Possibly he could be tortured in custody .. the cricket fan visa jumper .. was myself alarmed at that incident. Though in the climate of perpetual bomb blasts blamed on pakistan doubt that he has much sympathy in this country.

Faisal, I am not currently in a mood to discuss Pakistan. But you have pulled me into this debate after a whole week. My opinion is that the avg Pakistani is highly Islamised if not anything else and conducive to all manner of psy-ops launched by the junta esp the culpability of the evil kafir in their travails.

Do not think I am broadbrushing, but what is the motto of the Pakistan army ?

Iman, taqwa, Jihad fi Sabilillah

Faith, Piety, Jihad in the path of Allah

what good is going to come out of there with dudes with such a philosophy loitering around. Jihad on their neighbours is what they want to do and what they are currently busy engaged in. In between Jihad on the neighbours, we have small periods of hudaibiya (Islamic truce) that we are witnessing right now, because the country that needs to wage jihad is on a weaker footing. So let's call a temporary truce, we'll be back to our true nature when the situation changes.

Another characterestic is be behaviour of a rentier state .. a state which collaborates with China and US to further their geo-political goals in the region. A tool.

Has Pakistan got out of this mindset .. has hatred for the evil Kafir to the east ceased. Can't get much of a clue by reading the Urdu press.

You have tried to equate the Urdu press with the Indian press. But tragically there is no part of Indian media that goes around broadbrushing the culture and religion of the people of Pakistan. In fact they indulge in a lot of equal-equal wrt Pakistan so that some of the natural hatred developed in people due to bomb blasts and cross-border violations are diluted. Pakistan is pointed out only in their complicity in terrorism.

Sorry Faisal, this equation doesn't cut it.

Open an 8th class text book and there you can find a lot of hate literature fed to young school kids on hindus and other minorities. One such sample ..

Hindus pray in dark, narrow places while muslims pray in broad open places full of sunlight.

this is the knawlidj which the students are supposed to grow up on. This is basis of their world-view esp regarding their immediate neighbourhood.

Josh Carney wrote:Faisal I have lived outside Indian for over 20 years now. You are not acknowledging the underlying issue here which is that a country formed in the name of a religion can never be really secular. That is not say that there can be ugly incidents in democratic/secular countries as has been witnessed in USA, UK and many other parts of Europe.

And in India.

Buck: your latitudinarianism is 'inspiring'!

filosofee wrote:

Josh Carney wrote:Faisal I have lived outside Indian for over 20 years now. You are not acknowledging the underlying issue here which is that a country formed in the name of a religion can never be really secular. That is not say that there can be ugly incidents in democratic/secular countries as has been witnessed in USA, UK and many other parts of Europe.

And in India.

Indeed there are many ugly incidents in India that I am not proud of.

Sunny has an uncanny knack of saying it as it is once in every while ..

here he shows the mirror again


Don't bad mouth India if you like our money - Sunil Gavaskar

"I have a wife and three kids back in Melbourne and they are not impressed with the part of the world I am in" are the words of Darren Berry the assistant coach of the Rajasthan Royals after the bomb blasts that shook the pink city a few days back. One can understand the anxiety and concern of families who are miles away from India about their loved ones. Australia is indeed fortunate not to have the spectre of terrorism in their country and one can sympathize with them when they find themselves in a situation like the one in Jaipur.

But while sympathizing with Darren about the predicament he and the other Australians are facing, there is immense disappointment and not a little annoyance at the choice of words to describe India, "not impressed with the part of the world I am in." There were bomb blasts in India before too, so the situation in this part of the world is pretty well known and still Darren and his family did not think twice about it when the Dollar signs were flashed in front of their face to come down for the DLF IPL.

The solution is pretty simple as our common friend, the late doctor Jain would have said to Darren and that is for him to pack his bags and go home which presumably is an impressive part of the world. Never mind that it is where young Indian students, trying to earn an extra buck by driving cabs after university hours, get set upon by drunks when it comes to paying the fare or just for the heck of it. We are told that these attacks on Indian students are the result of the frustration that Australians feel about their jobs being taken by Indians. Just imagine if the cricketing fraternity in India were to look at it in the same way at the support staff of the various franchisees in the DLF Indian Premier League. Would that be justified?

The manner in which some people bad mouth India all the time but are the first on the plane to India when it is a question of making some easy money is well known and because we in India are a lot more tolerant than others it is being taken advantage of. Whenever there is an interview to be given to the papers back home it is invariably with a dig at India and Indians.

Why there are several who refer to India as "thats f-----g India for you" and still have the shamelessness to stay on and earn money here because they are pretty much unemployable back home . Indian cricket is like a river of gold and there are many who are dipping their hands in it with no loyalty whatsoever to India but only to their bank managers back home. There are some who are being paid six figure amounts in dollars but making occasional trips to India and not staying on for the duration of the tournament and will be the first to escape if the teams don't do well and the first to take credit if the team wins. What these guys don't understand is that the franchisees are not stupid. They haven't got into the prominent positions in their businesses and industry by fluke and they are all well aware of what's happening. This is the first year and so they are being a bit indulgent and watching it unfold and by the time the second year starts don't be surprised at the trimming of the personnel that will take place. They will want results and if they don't get them there will be wholesale sackings and not just of Indians as is the case at the moment. So enjoy it guys but just make sure you show some respect to the country that is putting more food on your table and allowing the family to buy designer stuff than the ones in the car boot sale.

India: What a load of sh!t.

And I don't like your money

jealousy towards IPL can make aussies terrorists. The Aus and US angle into the blasts needs to be probed thoroughly.

most of the actions taken by aus + US is of the 'we condone terror' if it isn't directed against us variety.

PearlJ wrote:India: What a load of sh!t.

F**K Off Pearly....

don't bother with his racist, narrow-minded bile .. it just shows that those bigoted aussies are losing it. When the fear of loss gets overpowering, reason and balance are the first to quit.

If you care to look into the antecedants of HuJi which was supposed to have manufactured this blast, you will notice that CIA has a very important role in formation of this organisation. ISI was its regional nodal agency in controlling Islamic Tyre V (mercenary) cadre.

One of accused in the blasts was supposed to have checked into a hotel using an US passport. A clear sign of a mercenary leaving behind a clue .. catch me if you can dare.

We need to look very closely at the possible US/CIA hand in Jaipur blasts.

One needs to closely learn the true history of the world to understand why countries like US use terrorism on a massive scale using many different frontal organisations.

US and its allies in the white commonwealth UK, Australia, NZ have for centuries now thrived off the fat of other lands by creating turmoil there and stymying growth for diverting resources to their own countries.

When prosperity in other countries starts to bite them or gets remotely threatening, they engineer such terror attacks using various mercenary organisations including the Jehadi ones to keep those entities who are not in their sphere in check. While people who can only think until their neighbour do not even dream of acknowledging the role of bigger entities in providing cover for and fomenting terrorism.

Batman wrote:

PearlJ wrote:India: What a load of sh!t.

F**K Off Pearly....

The more I read of PearlJ's work ...the more I see Mr Cricket

Anyone seen Rob lately?

Bucks (and Sunny)

Taxi drivers (of all nationalities) get beaten up in Australia ...mainly because drunken Yobbos "think" they can ...It's that hard to find a "skip" Taxi driver that it could never be that the "Whiteys" thought 'they took our jobs'

...and if there are people employed to work in India who continue to slag the place off ...then they should be asked to STFU or FO ...Chuckles Berry is only employed because he is Warnie's mate ...wouldn't be a loss for anyone if he was told to go home ...

And what does it say about a country of a Billion people that 'employs people who are unemployable in their own country'?

embee wrote:

Batman wrote:

PearlJ wrote:India: What a load of sh!t.

F**K Off Pearly....

The more I read of PearlJ's work ...the more I see Mr Cricket

Anyone seen Rob lately?

More importantly, have Rob and Pearly been ever seen together at the same time at the same place?

embee you have to understand the Indian psyche ..

they believe in benevolence towards foreigners and guests (atithi devo bhava) .. If you look in puranas (Rig Ved, Atharva Ved, Sama Ved) the Rishis, Saints, humans were constantly vandalized, beaten up by the danava/asura/naga yet they never let go of their core principles of service, forgiveness, caring etc.

though the present Indian nation does not embodify these principles to a Tee .. it is part of the psyche somewhere deep down. It creates dissonance in people and they are not able to rise as one force against a foreign interests until quite recently. If you notice behaviour of many Indian forumites they continue arguing for some 'just principle' even though they realize they are being had. But they need to be fair .. just ....

you can compare this with Aus/Brit social behaviour towards foreigners which is of hostility, lack of emotion unless the particular person is of similar profile as themselves. So it is difficult for an Australian in IPL to understand why it is alright to slag off India while they simultaneously feed themselves off the fat of the land. They are used to such duplicity in their homes as well .. in their treatment of foreigners, attitude towards other races etc so when they travel abroad they adapt rather quickly to new forms of duplicity.

So Sunny is going against the 'Indian psyche' by complaining about Chuckles comments ?...

Chuckles bounce