Off Topic: Bond, James Bond. Good, Bad & Indifferent

Leo wrote:Bond should be camp. Roger Moore was appropriately absurd.

Brosnan and Connery were both excellent as well.

I liked Dalton in 'The Living Daylights', but 'Licence to Kill' was just rubbish AFAIC. Lazenby wasn't as awful as some make out, but not comparable to the big 3.

Haven't seen Craig yet... as I said, I think Bond should be camp, and the impression I have from others is that Casino Royale is excessively serious.

Leo. This is worse than campaigning for Ramps. At least you can make a case for Mark based on some evidence.

I know the beauty of the series is that there's a movie for everybody - the character has been strong enough to survive wildly diverging interpretations.

But... James Bond and his world shouldn't be camp. Bond is a ruthless but charming bastard.

Put him in a world of over-the-top silliness and he's stripped down to a randy twit who makes groan-worthy dad jokes.

James Bond is supposed to be an agent who can kill someone with his bare hands. That's part of the thing that makes him attractive to women - he's a dangerous man. And it's better to be in the care of a dangerous man than on the end of his wrath.

The saying goes, "women want him and men want to be him" - everyone wants (to be) him because he's cool. Roger Moore might be suave, but he ain't cool.

By the way, I thought Roger was great as Simon Templar - I think that's the role Pierce Brosnan would have been better in too.

Rob I wrote:

Zat wrote:

lardbucket wrote:

Jontyh wrote:Felix Leiter gets fed to the sharks though, losing a couple of limbs - does that happen in the film?

Not sure about the film, but IIRC in the book 'he disagreed with something that ate him'.

That particular event was left out of the movie, but was eventually used as the catalyst for Bond going renegade in Dalton's 'Licence to Kill'. Not a great 'Bond' movie, but a pretty good action flick.

It was in a film. I saw it on a trip to the US.

Yes, as I said, It was used as the catalyst for Bond going renegade in Dalton's 'Licence to Kill'

The incident was originally in the book Live and Let Die, IIRC.

Zat wrote:

Rob I wrote:

Zat wrote:

lardbucket wrote:

Jontyh wrote:Felix Leiter gets fed to the sharks though, losing a couple of limbs - does that happen in the film?

Not sure about the film, but IIRC in the book 'he disagreed with something that ate him'.

That particular event was left out of the movie, but was eventually used as the catalyst for Bond going renegade in Dalton's 'Licence to Kill'. Not a great 'Bond' movie, but a pretty good action flick.

It was in a film. I saw it on a trip to the US.

Yes, as I said, It was used as the catalyst for Bond going renegade in Dalton's 'Licence to Kill'

The incident was originally in the book Live and Let Die, IIRC.

Thought we had agreed it was in the book of Live and Let Die.

Didn't Leiter's daughter appear in one of the books?

So much of the underlying structure and background of the James Bond movies is silly that taking it seriously is actually sillier than being silly about it. Goldfinger, for example, was OTT and (in parts) very camp. I have no doubt Sean Connery's performance as the character James Bond was superior to Moore's; I just find Moore's interpretation funnier.

Just my opinion.

And Moore was a ruthless bastard too, you know. IIRC, there's one particularly good scene in The Spy Who Loved Me where he holds a bloke over the edge of a building just long enough to get the info he needs, then drops him.

And Moore was a ruthless bastard too, you know. IIRC, there's one particularly good scene in The Spy Who Loved Me where he holds a bloke over the edge of a building just long enough to get the info he needs, then drops him.

Arnie does the same thing in Commando to which, when asked what he did with said "bloke" responded with:

"I let him go".

Leo wrote:

And Moore was a ruthless bastard too, you know. IIRC, there's one particularly good scene in The Spy Who Loved Me where he holds a bloke over the edge of a building just long enough to get the info he needs, then drops him.

If only we had seen more of that type of Moore.

His best moment was kicking the car over a cliff in For Your Eyes Only.

Unfortunately, most of the time we saw Moore hamming it up like a giggling schoolboy.

Each to their own I suppose.

Bond movies were cringeworthy and lame crap!

Which of the films was it where Roger Moore had his testicles ripped out and ostentatiously tossed to the hyenas by the cardboard cutout villain ?

Roger never really recovered his poise after that.

PeterCS wrote:Which of the films was it where Roger Moore had his testicles ripped out and ostentatiously tossed to the hyenas by the cardboard cutout villain ?

Octopussy.

That sounds about right.

Or was it "Dr Room with No View"?

On the contrary, I think it was David Tennant.

Dr Who with no womb.

lardbucket wrote:

taipan wrote:

horace wrote:lazenby was woeful

Have you ever rewatched it?

Barely noticed Lazenby ... Rigg was the star.

from 12 years ago

It was the most faithful to the book though