Bung 3.0

An analysis of Brett Lee's career makes for interesting reading. He came onto the scene with a bang v India in late 1999 after SRW "bigged him up". After a sensational start, he unravelled his elbow out making a return from the outfield v Windies in Perth in Dec 2000. This was the end of Bung 1.0. He then came back v England in Ashes 2001 and was pretty sh!te right through until the West Indies series in Aus in 2005/06 when he started to show much more consistency (as such I have used the World XI "Test" as the cut off for Bung 2.0, although many would argue that this period continued until after the retirement of TGM/tgm!!). Bung 3.0 is from 1 Nov 2005 until now. These periods give:

Bung 1.0 (Dec 1999 to Dec 2000) - 7 Tests 42 wickets @ 16.07 SR=16.07
Bung 2.0 (July 2001 to Oct 2005) - 43 Tests 161 wickets @ 33.04 SR=53.60
Bung 3.0 (Nov 2005 to June 2008) - 25 Tests 128 wickets @ 25.23 SR=47.80

He's still a dross-weasel cockmuncher who is shit against any team who can play pace alright.

Brass Monkey wrote:He's still a dross-weasel cockmuncher who is shit against any team who can play pace alright.

Such as?

England.

No doubt he's improved from 2005 though Moonkey...

Deffo.

Batsmen should stir him up a bit. Sledge him. Get him conned into bowling short at you all the time, with the occasional yorker, and he's easy pickings. He's only dangerous when he's relaxed and calm, and consistently bowling a good line and length.

Meh, I think the opposition does target Bung these days, particularly when he's got a bat in his hand. The Windies (particularly Edwards) peppered him with short stuff and pegged him quite a few times. To his credit, he didn't complain. I reckon he respected the Windies quicks and vice versa.

Brass Monkey wrote:He's still a dross-weasel cockmuncher who is shit against any team who can play pace alright.

[snorfle] Eloquent.

It was Tres who played him really well and he's not around any more.

Aye, Tres loved the brainless quickies.

MPV likes them too

JKLever wrote:Aye, Tres loved the brainless quickies.

like gillespie?

More like Paris Hilton.....

She's a mock cruncher.

Lee's a different bowler from early on in his career, no doubt. Still there are phases when he goes back to his, 2.0 version, especially when being hit.

skully wrote:Bung 1.0 (Dec 1999 to Dec 2000) - 7 Tests 42 wickets @ 16.07 SR=16.07
Bung 2.0 (July 2001 to Oct 2005) - 43 Tests 161 wickets @ 33.04 SR=53.60
Bung 3.0 (Nov 2005 to June 2008) - 25 Tests 128 wickets @ 25.23 SR=47.80

Actually, I looked at these numbers this morning, and they don't add up. For some reason Cricinfo Statsguru won't let me do Bung 2.0 but instead gives me his figures from the start of his career to Oct 2005.

Bung 2.0 is actually something like 36 Tests, 119 wickets @ 39.03. So the 3 phases of Bung are actually:

Bung 1.0 (Dec 1999 to Dec 2000) - 7 Tests 42 wickets @ 16.07 SR=16.07
Bung 2.0 (July 2001 to Oct 2005) - 36 Tests, 119 wickets @ 39.03 SR=60+
Bung 3.0 (Nov 2005 to June 2008) - 25 Tests 128 wickets @ 25.23 SR=47.80

Thanks skully - that makes more sense. 161 wickets at 33 isn't disastrous and we all know Bung2.0 was utter utter rubbish.

Sage.

He has a SR of 16 in his first 7 Tests

PearlJ wrote:He has a SR of 16 in his first 7 Tests

On Subi-against-raw-pace adjusted terms its more like 49.

PearlJ wrote:He has a SR of 16 in his first 7 Tests

Aye, he was lightning quick and smashed through the Indians, the Snoozers (on their knee high bouncing clay bakes) and then in the first two Tests v WI in Aus. He'd just picked up his 2nd 5-fer and tore the ligaments in his elbow returning from fine leg.

Is it safe to say that S.Waugh's captaincy contributed a fair bit to Lee being so shit between 2001 and 2004?

Henry wrote:Is it safe to say that S.Waugh's captaincy contributed a fair bit to Lee being so shit between 2001 and 2004?

In that Steve wanted him in the team despite his utter crapness? Yes. If not for Steve his 2001-4 stats might have been 0 tests, 0 wickets, 0.00 average and his career stats know would be Lilleesque.

I always got the impression that Waugh gave him instructions to just run in and bowl as quick as he could without any real plan other than bouncer, bouncer, bouncer, yorker, bouncer.

I blame Richard Chee Quee