FT talks AI

by filosofee Thu 20 Sep 2007, 10:40

from Financial Times on-line
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/98c1c04a-6520-11dc-bf89-0000779fd2ac.html

Editor’s note: We need to find an IT celebrity

By Peter Whitehead, Digital Business editor
Published: September 19 2007

........question concerning a lack of celebrity IT presenters on television....

The conference, Knowledge and Skills for a Digital Future ......promotes the advancement of women in technology, and so two threads ran through the debate. One concerned IT’s large gender imbalance, the other worried about how to inspire youngsters to study computing and prepare themselves for a technology career.

If IT wants to attract bright youngsters, one thing it might do is find a celebrity champion – real or fictional – to give an idea of what working in IT really involves and where it can lead. Unfortunately, some role models, such as the IT experts in the absurd but compelling thriller series 24, tend to be oddball characters.

Being at the cutting edge of artificial intelligence, robotics, mobility, and so on, ought to be an exciting prospect for any student. But the overall message reaching them is muddled and unappealing.

Tech companies (from US/Japan/Aus and EU) are concerned that a) young females are not taking up science and engineering, and b) many 'returning females' (after child-bearing) are faced with gate-keeping or the 'glass ceiling'. Women in China and India do not face these problems, apparently.

AI is the sexy end of computer science, a multi-disciplinary approach (taking in mathematics, engineering, lingusitics, philosophy, and a lot more) considering questions such as the nature of conscousness, knowledge and intelligence.

by filosofee Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:20

Guys, are any of you guilty of 'industrial gate-keeping'? Furriner (when you next drop in)?

by Brass Monkey Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:22

About 1 in 5 in my department are women. Of them, I'd bang about 80% of them.

by filosofee Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:23

Batfink Begins wrote:About 1 in 5 in my department are women. Of them, I'd bang about 80% of them.

Congrats on being an FF Leader Very Happy

ps is your PMS working?

by skully Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:23

by Henry Nolonga Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:26

pfft AI. Backend web development is where the cool kids are at...

by filosofee Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:26

by JGK Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:27

Batfink Begins wrote:About 1 in 5 in my department are women. Of them, I'd bang about 80% of them.

So you'd bang 96% of people in your department.

by Brass Monkey Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:27

filosofee wrote:
Congrats on being an FF Leader

ps is your PMS working?

Cheers... possibly...

Skully, STFU.

by tac Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:27

JGK wrote:
Batfink Begins wrote:About 1 in 5 in my department are women. Of them, I'd bang about 80% of them.

So you'd bang 96% of people in your department.

by Brass Monkey Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:28

Henry Nolonga wrote:pfft AI. Backend web development is where the cool kids are at...

Meh.

by Henry Nolonga Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:29

What's that supposed to mean?

by Brass Monkey Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:30

JGK wrote:
So you'd bang 96% of people in your department.

Wha? 1 in 5 = 20%. 50 * 0.2 = 10. 10 * 0.8 = 8.
8 of them are quite fit and I'd chop them. Simplo.

by tac Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:30

Henry Nolonga wrote:What's that supposed to mean?

It means he doesn't know enough about the topic to come up with a witty response . .

by Brass Monkey Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:32

Henry Nolonga wrote:What's that supposed to mean?

I'm not a fan.

by filosofee Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:33

Henry Nolonga wrote:pfft AI. Backend web development is where the cool kids are at...

You're comparing web development with the fun of mechatronics and more (artificial human creation)? Very Happy

by Brass Monkey Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:38

filosofee wrote:You're comparing web development with the fun of mechatronics and more (artificial human creation)?

Meh, s'not too different. AI is only an expert system based on synapses. Get some pinhead genius to map the parts of the brain, get some bug-eye to program it, Bob's yer uncle. Web development, especially back-end, is logic, similar.

by Henry Nolonga Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:40

Batfink Begins wrote:
Henry Nolonga wrote:What's that supposed to mean?

I'm not a fan.

So you're in customer support then? Wink

filosofee wrote:
Henry Nolonga wrote:pfft AI. Backend web development is where the cool kids are at...

You're comparing web development with the fun of mechatronics and more (artificial human creation)?

Yes, there's nothing more fun than sitting down and writing Perl to do things (that PHP could do much easier) in a MVC pattern and constantly having to restart Apache. Where's a suicide booth when you need one...

by filosofee Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:52

Batfink Begins wrote:
filosofee wrote:You're comparing web development with the fun of mechatronics and more (artificial human creation)?

Meh, s'not too different. AI is only an expert system based on synapses. Get some pinhead genius to map the parts of the brain, get some bug-eye to program it, Bob's yer uncle. Web development, especially back-end, is logic, similar.

You could argue that HIs or NIs (human or natural intelligence) are limited domain expert systems (we're not all good, nor want to be, at everything).

Read any Kurzweil? Here's a link: http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1

by Brass Monkey Thu 20 Sep 2007, 14:58

filosofee wrote:You could argue that HIs or NIs (human or natural intelligence) are limited domain expert systems (we're not all good, nor want to be, at everything).

Read any Kurzweil? Here's a link: http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1

Nah, was going to broach it for my degree, but I f*cked AI off after a month and did a couple of computer languages instead. Was interesting, just didn't think it would help my career at all.

by filosofee Thu 20 Sep 2007, 15:02

Batfink Begins wrote:
filosofee wrote:You could argue that HIs or NIs (human or natural intelligence) are limited domain expert systems (we're not all good, nor want to be, at everything).

Read any Kurzweil? Here's a link: http://www.kurzweilai.net/index.html?flash=1

Nah, was going to broach it for my degree, but I f*cked AI off after a month and did a couple of computer languages instead. Was interesting, just didn't think it would help my career at all.

Fair enough. Pleased that the FT think it's worthy, even though I want to use it to apply for Imran's personal, private AI!!! - JOKE Very Happy

ps can you receive PMs? Sent you one

by Brass Monkey Thu 20 Sep 2007, 15:10

Well, they'll get a decent enough working model sometime in the future after years of painstaking precision. I suppose if people jump on the bandwagon now they'll make a few nuggets in time.

by HH_pink Fri 21 Sep 2007, 23:53

skully wrote:
filosofee wrote:
Batfink Begins wrote:About 1 in 5 in my department are women. Of them, I'd bang about 80% of them.

Congrats on being an FF Leader

ps is your PMS working?

.

Sage.

by HH_pink Fri 21 Sep 2007, 23:56

Batfink Begins wrote:
filosofee wrote:You're comparing web development with the fun of mechatronics and more (artificial human creation)?

Meh, s'not too different. AI is only an expert system based on synapses. Get some pinhead genius to map the parts of the brain, get some bug-eye to program it, Bob's yer uncle. Web development, especially back-end, is logic, similar.

True. AI is dying anyway, and most AI products are basically ending up as assembly line 'robots' or 'agents'. Machine learning is where 'it's at'.

by PearlJ Sat 22 Sep 2007, 00:10

Batfink Begins wrote:
JGK wrote:
So you'd bang 96% of people in your department.

Wha? 1 in 5 = 20%. 50 * 0.2 = 10. 10 * 0.8 = 8.
8 of them are quite fit and I'd chop them. Simplo.

I don't think that is what he was implying... Razz

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