Ganguly - worst player with over 7000 test runs?

Paul Keating wrote:No way is he in the class of Saeed Anwar, Mark Waugh, Aravinda de Silva and Martin Crowe

Fixed. VVS would be in that class, Gangles a rung below (slightly above Arjuna).

The One wrote:

JGK wrote:

and some of the players on that list with the lower averages had a lot of other contributing factors - captaincy, injuries, carrying a weak team, moving up and down the order, wicketkeeping in Stewart's case. But nobody up there deserves to be classed as "average" or worse. They wouldn't have kept their place for that long if they were.

Unless they were playing for a particularly weak country and therefore just kept on getting picked.

Ganguly would barely have played Tests if he had been born in Australia. Conversely, Michael Bevan would have scored 8000 test runs if he had been born in India.

conversely ponting would not have been picked for a state side if he was born in india. definitely not punjab

Hehe, noice work, TO.

For an apparently maligned player, he was pretty consistent, without any clear evidence of being a hometown FTB.

Gangles' record at home:

50 Tests - 3180 runs @ 42.97 - 8 x 100s (dined out on NZ, SL and Zim, averaging over 60 against each in India)

Gangles' record on tour:

63 Tests - 4032 runs @ 41.56 - 8 x 100s (dined out on England and Bangers, averaging over 60 against each in their country)

Overall - 113 Tests - 7212 @ 42.17

Handy.

So, around Chappelli's average and class.

Indeed lardy.

I actually disagree with the Atherton comments! Personally whilst he struggled at different points to make scores, it does not hamper his overall effort as a cricketer.

The players to make it too 7000 runs.

Player - Opposition - Ground - MatchDate - Debut Time - Mat - Inns

WR Hammond (Eng) v India The Oval - 17-Aug-46 - 24-Dec-27 18y 236d 80- 131

SR Tendulkar (India) v South Africa Bloemfontein 03-Nov-01 15-Nov-89 11y 353d - 85 - 136
GS Sobers (WI) v India Georgetown 19-Mar-71 30-Mar-54 16y 354d - 79 - 138

SM Gavaskar (India) v Pakistan Lahore 10-Dec-82 06-Mar-71 11y 279d - 80 - 140

IVA Richards (WI) v Pakistan Bridgetown 22-Apr-88 22-Nov-74 13y 152d - 94 140

R Dravid (India) v Australia Mumbai 03-Nov-04 20-Jun-96 8y 136d 82 - 141

ML Hayden (Aus) v South Africa Cape Town 16-Mar-06 04-Mar-94 12y 12d - 80 142

Javed Miandad (Pak) v Australia Lahore 07-Oct-88 09-Oct-76 11y 364d - 95 - 145

RT Ponting (Aus) v England Lord's 21-Jul-05 08-Dec-95 9y 225d - 89 - 145

BC Lara (WI) v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 29-Nov-01 06-Dec-90 10y 358d - 83 146

DPMD Jayawardene (SL) v England Colombo (SSC) 09-Dec-07 02-Aug-97 10y 129d - 92 -
150

GS Chappell (Aus) v Pakistan Sydney 02-Jan-84 11-Dec-70 13y 22d - 87 - 151

JH Kallis (SA) v West Indies Georgetown 31-Mar-05 14-Dec-95 9y 107d - 90 151

Inzamam-ul-Haq (Pak) v Sri Lanka Karachi 28-Oct-04 04-Jun-92 12y 146d - 96 158

AR Border (Aus) v New Zealand Adelaide 11-Dec-87 29-Dec-78 8y 347d - 91 159

JL Langer (Aus) v England The Oval 08-Sep-05 23-Jan-93 12y 228d 93 159

CH Lloyd (WI) v England Lord's 28-Jun-84 13-Dec-66 17y 198d 102 163

MC Cowdrey (Eng) v Australia Birmingham 11-Jul-68 26-Nov-54 13y 228d 100 165

G Boycott (Eng) v Australia Lord's 28-Aug-80 04-Jun-64 16y 85d 94 165

GA Gooch (Eng) v Sri Lanka Lord's 22-Aug-91 10-Jul-75 16y 43d 91 166

G Kirsten (SA) v West Indies Durban 26-Dec-03 26-Dec-93 10y 0d 96 167

CG Greenidge (WI) v England St John's 12-Apr-90 22-Nov-74 15y 141d 100 170

DI Gower (Eng) v West Indies Leeds 21-Jul-88 01-Jun-78 10y 50d 100 172

MA Taylor (Aus) v Pakistan Peshawar 15-Oct-98 26-Jan-89 9y 262d 98 173

SR Waugh (Aus) v England Melbourne 26-Dec-98 26-Dec-85 13y 0d 110 174

DC Boon (Aus) v West Indies St John's 08-Apr-95 23-Nov-84 10y 136d 99 177

S Chanderpaul (WI) v England Chester-le-Street 15-Jun-07 17-Mar-94 13y 90d 104 177

ME Waugh (Aus) v India Chennai 18-Mar-01 25-Jan-91 10y 52d 111 183

SP Fleming (NZ) v England Wellington 13-Mar-08 19-Mar-94 13y 360d 110 186

MA Atherton (Eng) v Pakistan Lahore 15-Nov-00 10-Aug-89 11y 97d 103 188

DL Haynes (WI) v Pakistan Port of Spain 16-Apr-93 03-Mar-78 15y 44d 109 190

AJ Stewart (Eng) v Sri Lanka Galle 22-Feb-01 24-Feb-90 10y 364d 106 191

Sourav Ganguly(Ind) v Austrilia Mohali 17-Oct-08 20-Jun-96 12y,139d 111 195

Athers' record doesn't do him justice at all. At a time when pace bowling was extremely strong around the world, Athers was a rock for England. He had to combat the likes of Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqar, and Mcgrath with the new ball (Often on pretty spicy pitches), who were all great bowlers, and even the likes of Srinath, Prasad, Morrison, and Vaas were no easy pickings, and he had his fair share of success against them all (barring Mcgrath). He averaged 40 (The benchmark for a world class batsman 10-15 years ago) until the last couple of years of his career, when his back problems started to get worse, and his technique deteriorated slightly, meaning that he finished with an average of 37.

Anyone who thinks that his average of 37 justifies his quality as a batsman never saw him play, and doesn't know a thing about cricket.

He'd be averaging at least 45 if he'd been born 10 years later.

Henry wrote:Athers' record doesn't do him justice at all. At a time when pace bowling was extremely strong around the world, Athers was a rock for England. He had to combat the likes of Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqar, and Mcgrath with the new ball (Often on pretty spicy pitches), who were all great bowlers, and even the likes of Srinath, Prasad, Morrison, and Vaas were no easy pickings, and he had his fair share of success against them all (barring Mcgrath). He averaged 40 (The benchmark for a world class batsman 10-15 years ago) until the last couple of years of his career, when his back problems started to get worse, and his technique deteriorated slightly, meaning that he finished with an average of 37.

Anyone who thinks that his average of 37 justifies his quality as a batsman never saw him play, and doesn't know a thing about cricket.

He'd be averaging at least 45 if he'd been born 10 years later.

That and not having consistent back problems. I'm pretty sure if a player like Ian Bell ends up with a similar run tally that he would still not be as good as Atherton, mainly for the reasons listed above. It's all well and good making centuries against undercooked Pakistani and New Zealand attacks but its Atherton who dealt with the best of both worlds AND then some.

Oh yeah, I forgot Donald and Pollock as well.

Actually even with the back problems I think he'd be averaging 45. Without them, he may be averaging 50. I always wished he would play his shots a bit more, as when he did, he looked a real class act. I guess the burden of being THE wicket the opposition team wanted restricted him a bit. He was a very elegant player, especially in his younger days when the weight of the world wasn't on his shoulders. His style was like Bell but with 10 times more grit.

Atherton vs Donald, McGrath, Warne, Murali, Ambrose, Walsh, Akram, Waqar, Pollock, Kumble, Hadlee, Kapil Dev, Olonga, Vaas, Vettori etc.


Bell vs McGrath, Warne, Murali, Kumble, Nel, Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan, Vettori, Sami, Lee, Daren Powell, Taylor, Vaas etc.


A Definitive difference in the quality of Attacks they both faced. Ian Bell can only get seperated from this group if he attacks Mendis when they meet.

without doubt when Bung passes 300 wickets against the snoozies complete with ritual chainsaw when he knocks off the NZ no.10, he will be the worst bowler in the history of the game to have taken 300 wickets...

over half his career has been spent in the Oz team on a sponsors exemption

Vomit qunt.

Now, now, skull, enough tautologies . . .

Ah yes. My mistake. Humble apologies.

Look at the list . .

Bull
Warnie
Harvey
YT
Ross
horrie


qunts . . . every man jack of them . . .

lol...silly spivs...here's a challenge...find a worse bowler than Bung to have claimed test 300 wickets...or one who has consistently failed in big matches/series

The One wrote:worse -

fleming
taylor
atherton
m. waugh
stewart

Ganguly has battered some shit tracks and some shit bowlers for his runs. Immensely overrated. He was shithouse.

Brass Monkey wrote:Ganguly has battered some shit tracks and some shit bowlers for his runs. Immensely overrated. He was shithouse.

And he's an up himself qunt.

Nah . . . he's just a victim of cross-cultural misunderstandings . . .

Big_Bad_Bob wrote:
And he's an up himself qunt.

Well, surely you would be if your compatriots are putting you ahead of the likes of Tubby, Stewart and MEW.

Ridiculous. Surprise, surprise it came from The One Eye....

True, true.

If Test and ODI records are both considered I would put Ganguly ahead of Atherton, Stewart and Mark Taylor and on Par with M. Waugh.