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Arise Sir Flintoff
If England win the Ashes and no doubt Freddy will play a big part in it, will he get a knighthood? I think he deserves one......
Anniyan- Number of posts : 939
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It's Sir Andrew, you twit.
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And the answer would be no. Might get upgraded to OBE though.
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Lord Flintoff of Bedrock
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If Flintoff gets a knighthood, then Botham should be made a Lord.
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He's drunk as a lord anyway.
Why am I so surprised that zat boy is the only Aussie around?
Why am I so surprised that zat boy is the only Aussie around?
furriner- Number of posts : 12508
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I'm not surprised, not really in case you were asking.
furriner- Number of posts : 12508
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skulls was around before. I'm doing a few work-related things, but being a weekend, I don't feel I need to give them 100% of my attention.
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Now need to trot out the obligatory insult (which I support wholeheartedly):
You zat. wazzup, you Aussie aunt?
Skulls? "Softcock", as some Aussie say.
You zat. wazzup, you Aussie aunt?
Skulls? "Softcock", as some Aussie say.
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furriner- Number of posts : 12508
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And who'd be asking? I'm the only one around...
Zat- Number of posts : 28872
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Zat wrote:If Flintoff gets a knighthood, then Botham should be made a Lord.
The King, even.
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Arise Sir Andrew!!
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I suppose it's inevitable. After all, the 2005 team managed to cheap the MBE as an award, so Fred should now be allowed to cheap the concept of a knighthood.
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Not that it would happen but Freddie would surely be the worst cricketer ever to be knighted (for mostly cricketing exploits).
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Brown (a typical stone-dead Jock) ...... more keen on swapping Libyan bombers for lucrative commercial deals with terrorist regimes ... isn't himself partial to cricket other than the one chirping in his back yard.
So it is highly unlikely Fred will ever get the sword-tap.
Gaddafi, on the other hand, might well find himself being annointed at Buck House in the very near future ...
Watch this space.
So it is highly unlikely Fred will ever get the sword-tap.
Gaddafi, on the other hand, might well find himself being annointed at Buck House in the very near future ...
Watch this space.
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"Not that it would happen but Freddie would surely be the worst cricketer ever to be knighted (for mostly cricketing exploits)."
By some considerable margin.
It'd be a hell of a lot more interesting to try and find the worst cricketer ever to be knighted for non-cricketing exploits.
By some considerable margin.
It'd be a hell of a lot more interesting to try and find the worst cricketer ever to be knighted for non-cricketing exploits.
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'worst cricketer to be knighted for non-cricketing exploits'
Sir Alec Douglas Home, maybe?
Sir Alec Douglas Home, maybe?
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You can judge a cricketer too much by stats sometimes. All I'll say is he is the only person other than IT. Botham in my time watching cricket who has emptied bars just incase you miss him playing.
Let's not forget his stats after 23 tests - bat 18, ball 50
Since 2002-3, he's had an excellent test career to improve those.
The 'great' man speaks about himself...
Let's not forget his stats after 23 tests - bat 18, ball 50
Since 2002-3, he's had an excellent test career to improve those.
The 'great' man speaks about himself...
Flintoff undoubtedly has raised the performance levels of those around him but is he one of the greats of the game? Is he up there as
an all-rounder with the likes of Botham and Kapil Dev? Many cricket fans would say yes. Flintoff, resoundingly, says no. “I have never achieved greatness and I don’t profess to,” he said. “I was asked 'have you been a great cricketer?' and the obvious answer is no.
“That’s the Bothams, the Sobers, the Imran Khans, the Tendulkars, the Ricky Pontings who achieved greatness over a long period of time, playing Test after Test after Test.“I have performed at times and I am proud to have done that. For the bulk of my career I have played through pain and
with injury so to be out on the field was an achievement in some ways - but as for greatness? Nah.“But I played in a team which performed and I’m sat here now happy with myself and proud.”
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JKLever wrote:You can judge a cricketer too much by stats sometimes. All I'll say is he is the only person other than IT. Botham in my time watching cricket who has emptied bars just incase you miss him playing.
Let's not forget his stats after 23 tests - bat 18, ball 50
Since 2002-3, he's had an excellent test career to improve those.
The 'great' man speaks about himself...Flintoff undoubtedly has raised the performance levels of those around him but is he one of the greats of the game? Is he up there as
an all-rounder with the likes of Botham and Kapil Dev? Many cricket fans would say yes. Flintoff, resoundingly, says no. “I have never achieved greatness and I don’t profess to,” he said. “I was asked 'have you been a great cricketer?' and the obvious answer is no.
“That’s the Bothams, the Sobers, the Imran Khans, the Tendulkars, the Ricky Pontings who achieved greatness over a long period of time, playing Test after Test after Test.“I have performed at times and I am proud to have done that. For the bulk of my career I have played through pain and
with injury so to be out on the field was an achievement in some ways - but as for greatness? Nah.“But I played in a team which performed and I’m sat here now happy with myself and proud.”
So that's sorted then.
Not a great.
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Better than Jesus, but not great?
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Finished with Test averages of 31.77 with the bat and 32.78 with the ball. Doesn't even pass the basic all-rounder's Test of having a lower bowling average than batting average.
Mercurial? Certainly. Great? No. Knighthood material? If so, then it's another argument for Australia ditching the Monarchy.
Mercurial? Certainly. Great? No. Knighthood material? If so, then it's another argument for Australia ditching the Monarchy.
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He shouldn't and will not get a knighthood, such talk is ridiuclous.Zat wrote:Finished with Test averages of 31.77 with the bat and 32.78 with the ball. Doesn't even pass the basic all-rounder's Test of having a lower bowling average than batting average.
Mercurial? Certainly. Great? No. Knighthood material? If so, then it's another argument for Australia ditching the Monarchy.
Though with regards to the "basic allrounder test", I think it's bullshit quite frankly. I would say that having someone averaging 35 with the ball and 34.5 with the bat is rarely going to win you a match.
Not saying he is in the same league (at all) but analysing Flintoff purely on stats will never give you an idea of how good a player he was.
The fact is that he would have walked in to any team over the last 5 years. And without him we wouldn't have won the 2005 ashes and would have had a hard time winning the 2009 lords test.
He is no Botham but he's still a(n English) legend. No longer will we talk about who "the next Botham" is, it will now be "who is the next Flintoff".
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lardbucket wrote:Better than Jesus, but not great?
Jesus was overrated as an all-rounder. And he had thiose hand injuries.
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vilkrang wrote:
Not saying he is in the same league (at all) but analysing Flintoff purely on stats will never give you an idea of how good a player he was.
The fact is that he would have walked in to any team over the last 5 years. And without him we wouldn't have won the 2005 ashes and would have had a hard time winning the 2009 lords test.
He is no Botham but he's still a(n English) legend. No longer will we talk about who "the next Botham" is, it will now be "who is the next Flintoff".
Farking Word!
Let's not forget after 23 tests he averaged 18 with the bat and 50 (FFS!) with the ball. He's been a damn fine test cricketer since 2003
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But he still came back after being nailed to a cross, as opposed to giving up because of a dodgy knee.PeterCS wrote:lardbucket wrote:Better than Jesus, but not great?
Jesus was overrated as an all-rounder. And he had thiose hand injuries.
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