BCCI finally sees sense in playing more tests!

buckSH wrote:not in hit around sense, but bowling talent esp of faster variety

Yeah, like India has developed loads of fast bowlers through the IPL

I wouldn't mind seeing young bowlers (particularly spinners) banned from T20s. It just wrecks them and turns them into dart/block hole bowlers.

taipan wrote:

buckSH wrote:not in hit around sense, but bowling talent esp of faster variety

Yeah, like India has developed loads of fast bowlers through the IPL

Manpreet Goni, Ashok Dinda, Dhaval Kulkarni

the Singh in RR.

Atul Sharma . . .

furriner wrote:Good news, if true. More Tests. F*ck everything else. Yeah, the other forms are important to get money into the game and need to be played. But f*ck 'em all the same.

You're still not f*cking the other forms off enough.

buckSH wrote:T20s are important, in the sense they help seed new talent into the sport.

T20s has it's own dynamic as a 'talent crucible'.

And I thought I typed some absolute hoo-hah.

If you don't know you can always ask.

How else would a potential fast-bowler be picked off the streets and inducted right into the hurly-burly of cricket without going through the

School league
College league
District league
Ranji league
Prayers to get into BCCI XI

by the time the bowler reaches international cricket, esp in Indian conditions, they would already have burnt out.

As it is T20 'player turnover' is tremendous. New players are inducted all the time because of burn-outs and player rotation. Excellent opportunity thus to bring in talent into cricket.

When the format matures, majority of T20 participation would be by budding talent rather than the ones already playing in ODI or Tests.

buckSH wrote:If you don't know you can always ask.

How else would a potential fast-bowler be picked off the streets and inducted right into the hurly-burly of cricket without going through the

School league
College league
District league
Ranji league
Prayers to get into BCCI XI

by the time the bowler reaches international cricket, esp in Indian conditions, they would already have burnt out.

As it is T20 'player turnover' is tremendous. New players are inducted all the time because of burn-outs and player rotation. Excellent opportunity thus to bring in talent into cricket.

When the format matures, majority of T20 participation would be by budding talent rather than the ones already playing in ODI or Tests.

Please refer to my 'Orgasm reached syndrome' thread and see where the dangers in this 'raw talent induction' lies.....

No technical development of skills - heroes of a lone match or 2 - a few commercial endorsements and fats money - than the long season of expected failures, struggle and time of when talent is sorted out - than out of reckoning with a lifestyle - unable to deal and maintain the aftermath of too early and instant success.....sheer recipe of disaster ruining their lives, careers, focus and values irrevocably!

IPL works like a overdosed drug. It takes extreme turns and effects on a young players' psyche and career. Bypassing the whole system and skill development cycle and then pushing them to miraculously learn those skills overnight and then dumping them for failing isn't the way to go.

Particularly in case of fast-bowling, the fresher the better.

You know how Imran picked off Wasim and Wagar off the streets as kids playing some taped tennis ball. We all know how that turned out.

Same goes for Shoiab, didn't waste a lot of his time playing in leagues.

the great West Indians, Roberts, Holding, Croft, Garner etc didn't come up through leagues or technical training because I doubt there were any in the Caribbean at that point of time. But I would like to be corrected and seek more info in this regard.

BCCI-type 'technical development' sessions are well known. Grind away in some hot dustbowl for days, months, years and in the end no one know you were ever around unless you have a godfather.

IPL might not be the perfect testing ground for test-level batsmen though.

buckSH wrote:If you don't know you can always ask.

How else would a potential fast-bowler be picked off the streets and inducted right into the hurly-burly of cricket without going through the

School league
College league
District league
Ranji league
Prayers to get into BCCI XI

by the time the bowler reaches international cricket, esp in Indian conditions, they would already have burnt out.

As it is T20 'player turnover' is tremendous. New players are inducted all the time because of burn-outs and player rotation. Excellent opportunity thus to bring in talent into cricket.

When the format matures, majority of T20 participation would be by budding talent rather than the ones already playing in ODI or Tests.

Strange - I see it more as a way of extending the careers of otherwise burned-out 'name' hacks, who can't get through a full day's play but can still in their dotage manage a bit of a tonk, or four overs.

well the concept is now at a brand-building stage.

thus the heavy participation by 'seniors' to make it popular.

But once it gets established, hopefully and due to player fatigue, we will see less of senior test-players and more of new or raw talent in T20.

talent-spotters for the various teams will go to SA, Jamaica, T&T, Brazil? etc to scour for new talent esp bowling talent. Fit, athletic young men from all over the world will be seen in T20 leagues.

Mark Nicholas may retire from Nein commentary panel, to become a 'talent spotter' for the Bangalore Royals.

buckSH wrote:Mark Nicholas may retire from Nein commentary panel, to become a 'talent spotter' for the Bangalore Royals.

Entirely appropriate ...

lardbucket wrote:

buckSH wrote:Mark Nicholas may retire from Nein commentary panel, to become a 'talent spotter' for the Bangalore Royals.

Entirely appropriate ...

After a few cosmopolitans, I hear anyone is worthy 'talent'.

South African players in favour of new schedule - Link!

The South African players have come out in support of the new schedule for their Indian tour next year which proposes two Tests and three ODIs instead of the originally planned five-ODI series. Following Cricket South Africa chief executive Gerald Majola's admission on Friday that it was possible to accommodate the BCCI's request, the South African Players Association [SACA] said the players were open and happy to play more Tests instead of ODIs on the tour scheduled for February-March 2010.

"We as players are actually in favour of that," Tony Irish, SACA's CEO , told Cricinfo. "We would prefer to go there [India] and play two Tests and three one-dayers rather than playing five-ODI series." Irish also said SACA had been aware of the BCCI's request because the players' body was closely involved in the planning and finalising of tour schedules.

Explaining the reasons behind the players favouring the new proposal, Irish said the most important factor was that the teams would get to play more Test cricket, which would be a boost for the longer form of the game. "

Players have been up in arms against the existing Future Tours Programme due to the the dearth of Tests in the calendar. This year India played just six Tests and are scheduled to play seven in 2010 (not including the proposed two matches against South Africa). That figure could be trimmed to five as the two Tests against Zimbabwe are yet to be finalised. South Africa are scheduled to play five more Tests in 2010 compared to the six in 2009. "We believe that it is vital to play as much Test cricket as possible because the players believe it is the pinnacle of cricket," Irish said.

Irish admitted that the last-minute request from the Indian board was not "ideal" but felt it was necessary to "compromise" for the betterment of Test cricket. "It is not ideal but scheduling in cricket is not ideal because of the way everyone is packing more and more cricket in. But there has to be a set of compromises and we are making some now in order to play Test cricket."

Asked if there were any concerns the players had Irish said they did not want to miss out on playing the Pro20, South Africa's domestic Twenty20 competition, and hence were keen that both boards try and work out the right dates to enable the players to get back in time to play the tournament. "One of the downsides is that our national players might miss the semi-finals and the finals of the Pro20 domestic competition," said Irish. "If that can be accommodated that will be good."

The first round of Standard Bank Pro20 semi-finals are due to start on February 24, with the second round beginning on March 3 and the final on March 12, so the CSA is trying to push back those dates by at least a week to accommodate the BCCI request. "There are a couple of issues about getting the dates right: we would need to arrive earlier than what was proposed by India," said Irish. "We would also need to get our ODI specialists early because there is a very small gap between the end of the proposed Test series and the ODIs."

I was wondering if the SA board could get around to the one week needed between it's own home fixtures to accomdate the tests. But looks like it will roll, though BCCI should have been not obliged for not realizing it's priorities earlier.

How many tests did SA play this year, if the players feel they have played less of it. And does Zim still enjoy test status? I thought it was revoked! How the hell was India scheduled to play them next year when there is no mention of nthis anywhere else.....

buckSH wrote:As it is T20 'player turnover' is tremendous. New players are inducted all the time because of burn-outs and player rotation. Excellent opportunity thus to bring in talent into cricket.

buckSH wrote:But once it gets established, hopefully and due to player fatigue, we will see less of senior test-players and more of new or raw talent in T20.

So running players into the ground with ludicrous match schedules and travel demands is now a good thing? You fogging moron.

Batman wrote:And does Zim still enjoy test status? I thought it was revoked! How the hell was India scheduled to play them next year when there is no mention of nthis anywhere else.....

Boot filling?

It's done. SA agree for a 2 tests series in India. Things suddenly look interesting. Good thing it will be down before IPL, before players land in a year long infirmary.....