Re: Aus Federal Politics thread (III)

by skully Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:10

JGK wrote:what if they try to implement the reforms but the opposition stops them? Is it still worthwhile then?

Typical weak current pinko softc0ck attitude - "it's all the Opposition's fault". Keating would kick you in the nuts for saying that.

by JGK Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:11

Avoiding the question as usual.

by lardbucket Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:12

How can the Opposition stop them? What have they stopped so far?

Unbleat.

by lardbucket Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:12

Let's not forget who held up the GST for the best part of 10 years ...

by skully Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:14

What question, MrK? You merely blamed the Opposition like the Vulture and the Goose have been doing. For proposed legislation to not get through, the Indies and the Green qunt must also be playing a part.

And the Vulture goes on about "playing politics". FFS, Keating must secretly despise the current pissweakness of this pink mob.

by skully Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:14

lardbucket wrote:Let's not forget who held up the GST for the best part of 10 years ...

Sage.

by skully Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:16

Or should you pose it as a question, L? Oi Mick and JGK, why did the pinkos oppose the GST for so long?

The obvious answer is "they were the Opposition." Rolling Eyes

by skully Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:25

Pinkos....

Aus Federal Politics thread (III) - Page 38 Crickets-chirping

by embee Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:31

JGK wrote:what if they try to implement the reforms but the opposition stops them? Is it still worthwhile then?

The Opposition doesnt hold the balance of power in either House so cant stop Jack without the help of some of Gillard's indies or puppetmasters

All that Rabbott can do is tell us that the taxes are Great and New and Big and Shiny and how much they will cost you ...the Govt's job is to outsell his bluster ...and if the reforms have passed the bluff test of the tax forum that should be easy

by skully Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:34

Never let the facts get in the way of a pissweak pinko whinge, A.

by Mick Sawyer Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:42

embee wrote:Mick

If they ACT on and IMPLEMENT the reforms suggested that passed scrutiny then the forum will be worthwhile .

if it's just another repeat of the 2020 Kevfest (or even the Henry Report) then it will be a waste of time

I get that and agree.

At the very least these matters have received a relatively open airing without the static that makes the usual exchanges between politicians a farce.

by JGK Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:43

skully wrote:Or should you pose it as a question, L? Oi Mick and JGK, why did the pinkos oppose the GST for so long?

The obvious answer is "they were the Opposition."

Not so - the ALP opposed it while they were in government and Keating said he would vote for it in Opposition if Hewson had won in 1993.

So, do you have an answer to my question to MB?

I can rephrase it if you like - would the tax forum have been a waste of time if the only reason that no action comes from it is if the Opposition opposes any proposed reforms?

by JGK Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:46

embee wrote:
JGK wrote:what if they try to implement the reforms but the opposition stops them? Is it still worthwhile then?

The Opposition doesnt hold the balance of power in either House so cant stop Jack without the help of some of Gillard's indies or puppetmasters

All that Rabbott can do is tell us that the taxes are Great and New and Big and Shiny and how much they will cost you ...the Govt's job is to outsell his bluster ...and if the reforms have passed the bluff test of the tax forum that should be easy

That's not right. Both Abbott and the Greens voted down the ETS for different reasons (Abbott for political reasons, the Greens because it didn't go far enough). Doesn't mean it was a bad idea in the first place.

by Mick Sawyer Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:48

fwiw I think the GST should be 15%.

The first target offsets would be all state taxes and duties and the gouging perpetrated by their qangos & local government.

by JGK Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:51

Stamp Duty on real property should still remain or at least be converted to an ongoing land tax (even on family homes).

by embee Thu 06 Oct 2011, 06:57

JGK wrote:
embee wrote:
JGK wrote:what if they try to implement the reforms but the opposition stops them? Is it still worthwhile then?

The Opposition doesnt hold the balance of power in either House so cant stop Jack without the help of some of Gillard's indies or puppetmasters

All that Rabbott can do is tell us that the taxes are Great and New and Big and Shiny and how much they will cost you ...the Govt's job is to outsell his bluster ...and if the reforms have passed the bluff test of the tax forum that should be easy

That's not right. Both Abbott and the Greens voted down the ETS for different reasons (Abbott for political reasons, the Greens because it didn't go far enough). Doesn't mean it was a bad idea in the first place.

How is what I said not right about the opposition ...the Greens are supposed to be coalition partners of the govt and it would take their Senate votes to reject any reforms ...the opposition will oppose because they can

by JGK Thu 06 Oct 2011, 07:02

That's true but that wouldn't make the tax forum a waste of time.

Anyway, the thread has moved on from the original point.

by bodyline Thu 06 Oct 2011, 07:07

JGK wrote:Stamp Duty on real property should still remain or at least be converted to an ongoing land tax (even on family homes).

Please explain - it is utter theft at best.

by JGK Thu 06 Oct 2011, 07:10

What is? Stamp Duty or Land Tax?

by skully Thu 06 Oct 2011, 07:55

JGK wrote:
skully wrote:Or should you pose it as a question, L? Oi Mick and JGK, why did the pinkos oppose the GST for so long?

The obvious answer is "they were the Opposition."

Not so - the ALP opposed it while they were in government and Keating said he would vote for it in Opposition if Hewson had won in 1993.

So, do you have an answer to my question to MB?

I can rephrase it if you like - would the tax forum have been a waste of time if the only reason that no action comes from it is if the Opposition opposes any proposed reforms?

Er, the Opposition was expressly not invited, and it was still a waste of time, so your question is pointless. Stop looking for excuses, you pinko sooks, and tell your heroes to get on with governing the country, FFS. Rolling Eyes

by Big Dog Thu 06 Oct 2011, 08:10

JGK wrote:What is? Stamp Duty or Land Tax?

Stamp duty on the transfer of land is utter theft however all sides of politics are guilty of exploiting it. If i buy a house with my own money, why should i have to hand over 20-30 grand to the farking government. They provide no goods, no services....nothing. Its legalised theft & always has been.

by lardbucket Thu 06 Oct 2011, 08:10

JGK wrote:what if they try to implement the reforms but the opposition stops them? Is it still worthwhile then?

lardbucket wrote:How can the Opposition stop them? What have they stopped so far?

Unbleat.

I repeat ... at present the opposition CANNOT effectively obstruct any legislation in either house, without the support of a dissenting ALP member or Greens/Independent Coalition partner. Nor have the opposition obstructed any legislation during this term of parliament without the support of a dissenting ALP member or Greens/Independent Coalition partner.

unbleat ...

by embee Thu 06 Oct 2011, 08:18

The cubby grunt Richo has named Bishop and Griffin as Kev-wanters....

by JGK Thu 06 Oct 2011, 08:18

But you and the rest of the Tories accept that the Greens in particular are economic vandals whose views will often be against the greater good of the nation.

So it isn't hard to see an instance where a tax policy reform that is ostensibly a good one might be opposed by the Greens with their socialist agenda. In that instance, only the Opposition would be to blame for voting down a good reform.

Anyway, as I said, the thread has moved on.

by embee Thu 06 Oct 2011, 08:22

JGK wrote:But you and the rest of the Tories accept that the Greens in particular are economic vandals whose views will often be against the greater good of the nation.

So it isn't hard to see an instance where a tax policy reform that is ostensibly a good one might be opposed by the Greens with their socialist agenda. In that instance, only the Opposition would be to blame for voting down a good reform.

Anyway, as I said, the thread has moved on.

Fair enough

I blame Bozo for letting the garquen Democrats have a say in the GST ...

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