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Post by lardbucket Mon 19 Mar 2012, 20:44

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Atherton's involvement seems to have been beneficial to the young man. His acceptance (at least partial acceptance) of his role in this disgraceful affair, an implicit apology, and a desire to put things right, all give hope for his recovery, rehabilitation, and perhaps redemption.

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Post by JGK Mon 19 Mar 2012, 20:45

I would have thought getting caught is the first step to rehabilitation.

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Post by lardbucket Mon 19 Mar 2012, 20:50

I guess so, but simply getting caught probably isn't sufficient or essential to the process ... nor does it require any effort on the offender's part ... but understanding the issue and admitting error must be absolutely essential to recovery.

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Post by PlanetPakistan Tue 20 Mar 2012, 02:14

One of the best things about our life is that there is always a chance for redemption. Amir should convince himself that he is lucky that despite such a big mistake a) He is OUT of jail while other 2 are still in b) He can come back to cricket at the age of 23 and can STILL have a 12-14 year career.
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Post by The One Tue 20 Mar 2012, 03:59

Amir returned the calls twice. However, he did give him his bank details. "I gave him my contact details because he was Salman's friend,"

your bank details are part of your 'contact' details? and especially when you give them to a known bookie? weird

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Post by taipan Tue 20 Mar 2012, 04:06

Sounds like he's playing the "dumb" card.
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Post by embee Tue 20 Mar 2012, 04:11

being a pro sportsman there is a fair chance it isnt a card ....
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Post by Henry Tue 20 Mar 2012, 05:57

I do feel sorry for him, as there is a definite hierarchical set up in Pakistani cricket, and he no doubt felt (correctly) that Butt could ensure his life in cricket was made very difficult if he didn't comply with what was said. I mean, he was 18, FFS, from a poor family, and being told by his Captain to do these things or else face consequences.

Rock and a hard place.
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Post by taipan Tue 20 Mar 2012, 06:04

Henry wrote:I do feel sorry for him, as there is a definite hierarchical set up in Pakistani cricket, and he no doubt felt (correctly) that Butt could ensure his life in cricket was made very difficult if he didn't comply with what was said. I mean, he was 18, FFS, from a poor family, and being told by his Captain to do these things or else face consequences.

Rock and a hard place.

It's the same excuse that gets trotted out every time a Pak gets caught for something.
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Post by horace Tue 20 Mar 2012, 06:58

as opposed to Hansie and other corrupt saffies - who all plead guilty and make restitution..they were supper smart weren't they?
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Post by taipan Tue 20 Mar 2012, 06:59

horace wrote:as opposed to Hansie and other corrupt saffies - who all plead guilty and make restitution..they were supper smart weren't they?

Hansie got a life ban that I fully supported.
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Post by taipan Tue 20 Mar 2012, 07:01

And of course we won't discuss Waugh and Warne.
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Post by horace Tue 20 Mar 2012, 07:02

taipan wrote:
horace wrote:as opposed to Hansie and other corrupt saffies - who all plead guilty and make restitution..they were supper smart weren't they?

Hansie got a life ban that I fully supported.

no jail time tho
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Post by horace Tue 20 Mar 2012, 07:03

horace wrote:
taipan wrote:
horace wrote:as opposed to Hansie and other corrupt saffies - who all plead guilty and make restitution..they were supper smart weren't they?

Hansie got a life ban that I fully supported.

no jail time tho

...and what he did was worse
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Post by taipan Tue 20 Mar 2012, 07:05

horace wrote:
taipan wrote:
horace wrote:as opposed to Hansie and other corrupt saffies - who all plead guilty and make restitution..they were supper smart weren't they?

Hansie got a life ban that I fully supported.

no jail time tho

At least we didn't hide it away.
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Post by horace Tue 20 Mar 2012, 07:07

taipan wrote:
horace wrote:
taipan wrote:
horace wrote:as opposed to Hansie and other corrupt saffies - who all plead guilty and make restitution..they were supper smart weren't they?

Hansie got a life ban that I fully supported.

no jail time tho

At least we didn't hide it away.


tho I recollect he hid from visiting the Bannies for questioning by the police
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Post by horace Tue 20 Mar 2012, 07:08

anyway...good luck to the young Amir boy with the next phase of his life
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Post by Henry Tue 20 Mar 2012, 08:10

Amir is too young to not be given a chance of redemption. At the end of the day, he WAS extremely young when all this happened, and is an exceptional talent. I'm prepared to cheer him on if he comes back with a bang.
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Post by Brass Monkey Tue 20 Mar 2012, 09:43

'I iz a poor naive little village boy. I knows not what spot-fixin iz and my boss bullied me with his willy.'

Yeah, yeah, yeah....

No doubt that he was a junior member and it is easier to get 'led astray' at a young age but it doesn't rest too easily with me that this interview has been done at this stage of his 'rehabilitation' AND that Athers is involved, trying to give the whole 6 pager some credence.
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Post by Basil Tue 20 Mar 2012, 18:55

horace wrote:anyway...good luck to the young Amir boy with the next phase of his life

18 seems a little bit late to be learning right from wrong if you ask me.
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Post by horace Wed 21 Mar 2012, 01:11

Basil wrote:
horace wrote:anyway...good luck to the young Amir boy with the next phase of his life

18 seems a little bit late to be learning right from wrong if you ask me.

....lots of people get 2nd chances later in life and try to improve...
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Post by Red Wed 21 Mar 2012, 02:04

horace wrote:
taipan wrote:
horace wrote:
taipan wrote:
horace wrote:as opposed to Hansie and other corrupt saffies - who all plead guilty and make restitution..they were supper smart weren't they?

Hansie got a life ban that I fully supported.

no jail time tho

At least we didn't hide it away.


tho I recollect he hid from visiting the Bannies for questioning by the police

That was Gibbs I think.
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Post by taipan Wed 21 Mar 2012, 05:00

Gibbs and Boje, I would say. But both of them were eventually interviewed by the police in India.
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Post by Merlin Wed 21 Mar 2012, 14:09

horace wrote:anyway...good luck to the young Amir boy with the next phase of his life

Bollocks.

Once a cheat, always a cheat.
He's done it once ... who's to say he won't do it the next time when thrice the cash is offered?
He's tainted .... get.rid.of.

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Post by Brass Monkey Wed 21 Mar 2012, 14:12

I don't think he'll do it again. But I think now that he's got his ban, he shouldn't be given exposure until he's free to play again.
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