Amir: insight is the first step towards his rehabilitation

Meanwhile, Daddy Butt ain't happy

"The father of Pakistan's jailed former cricket captain Salman Butt has accused disgraced bowler Mohammed Aamer of falsely pinning all the blame on his son in order to revive his career.

Aamer, in his first interview since being released from a British prison, accused Butt of trapping him into the spot-fixing scandal at the Lord's Test against England in August 2010."

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"However Zulfiqar, Butt's father, responded by accusing Aamer of lying.

"Aamer on record said before the ICC tribunal that Butt did not ask him to bowl no-balls and then before the UK court last year he said the same, so was he lying then or now? I definitely think he is lying now," he said."

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Wackies are funny.

horace wrote:

Basil wrote:

horace wrote:anyway...good luck to the young Amir boy with the next phase of his life

18 seems a little bit late to be learning right from wrong if you ask me.

....lots of people get 2nd chances later in life and try to improve...

Make the risk greater than the reward - ban him for life and any other scumbags who stoop to the same level.

Amir is right, most times it's the so called good friends who end up farking you up.

In the summer of 2010 Amir and Asif were the 2 best players in the side and formed the world's best new ball attack. On surface their absence was the worst that could have happened to Pakistan cricket. There were whispers around the cricketing world that this was the Hiroshima of Pakistan cricket and it would take years before Pakistan can put up a competitive test team. All of that has obviously been BADLY proven wrong as under Misbah's captaincy Pakistan have just lost ONE test match(winning nine).

Point being that the cricketing talent in the country is absolutely jaw dropping but the most important thing in ANY field of life is to earn respect of your peers and opponents which Pakistan have FAILED to do so. The main reason for this failure is the obvious character flaws of quite a few of the players over the last 20 years or so which reflects their upbringing and exposes the flaws of not just the cricket board but also the overall Pakistani society. So in order to redeem themselves PCB has to be really strict on any kind of indiscipline and in this case NOT fall in the trap of being too lenient or give too much support to Amir just because he is 19 AND/OR because he is the finest talent.

Having said all of that in my time as a cricket fan(20 years) Amir is one cricketer that i miss the MOST....

Aye PP, he was a real talent. Just imagine how useful your attack would be with him in it as well. I thought the length of ban was pretty harsh but now it has been doled out there shouldn't be any leniency.

All this talk about Amir having a special talent p1sses me off. It might be true, but he got what he deserved - some would say he's lucky to have any chance of playing again.

You must be quite easily "pissable"


Naturally people are going to feel worse if a superstar is banned compare to a fringe player.

not if the offence is the same

He certainly should not be excused his sins on the grounds of talent ... the only potential 'mitigating' circumstances in Amir's case are his stupidity, naivete, and having been bullied by older players who should certainly have known better. Sensibly, these are the cards he is playing ... if he tried the line 'you shouldn't ban me because I'm going to be a superstar', that would IMO confirm a supreme contempt and arrogance on his part as well as a lack of insight into the filthy lowness of what he's done, and any sympathy I might feel for him currently would dissipate immediately, indeed I'd be keen to see him banned for life.

There should be sympathy but the punishment must remain the same...

He should be banned for life - end of. it's the only way of cutting this cancer out of the game.

PlanetPakistan wrote:There should be sympathy but the punishment must remain the same...

Fair enough, ban him for life too. You completely miss the point again.

lardbucket wrote:

PlanetPakistan wrote:There should be sympathy but the punishment must remain the same...

Fair enough, ban him for life too. You completely miss the point again.

There was barely anything to miss...
obviously i agree that his punishment shouldn't be reduced just because he was highly gifted.

Amir. The truth. 51 @ 29

taipan wrote:Amir. The truth. 51 @ 29

Awful figures for an 18 year old! It's not like he was learning his craft in the toughest arena. It's not like he had the best part of his career ahead of him.

Brass Monkey wrote:

taipan wrote:Amir. The truth. 51 @ 29

Awful figures for an 18 year old! It's not like he was learning his craft in the toughest arena. It's not like he had the best part of his career ahead of him.

No one is denying that he had some potential. But I am not the person filling this thread with BS about the suspensions robbing Pakistan of the best bowling attacking the world.

Taipan,
You can't run away from the fact that Aamer was immensely talented.
According to ex Pakistani cricketers he was ahead of Wasim Akram. According to Micheal Holding at that age he was ahead of ANY pace bowler that Holding had ever seen.

PlanetPakistan wrote:Taipan,
You can't run away from the fact that Aamer was immensely talented.
According to ex Pakistani cricketers he was ahead of Wasim Akram. According to Micheal Holding at that age he was ahead of ANY pace bowler that Holding had ever seen.

Yeah and both Philander and Steyn have better figures than both the two you named, so you can slice and dice it any which way you like, they were not the best attack in the world.

As if anyone would trust an ex Pakistani cricketer.

I suppose there's some tinges of utterly parochial, hysterical blindness from PP. But there's no doubt which way Amir's career was headed.... greatness.

ATM Pakistan's attack is getting cheaped heavily by those ADHD eunuchs called 'The England Top 7', though. When Herath is rolling you on a day-2er you know you're in all kinds of f*cking trouble.

Dan, I said earlier that he had potential, but to call them the world's best was just so much BS

I don't think 'potential' is apt enough. I cannot think of another 18 year old fast bowler who had his game together in such a way. You've got your facts (they aren't the world's best attack and it would be arguable it would be the case were they not to have cheated), be happy with them.

taipan wrote:

PlanetPakistan wrote:Taipan,
You can't run away from the fact that Aamer was immensely talented.
According to ex Pakistani cricketers he was ahead of Wasim Akram. According to Micheal Holding at that age he was ahead of ANY pace bowler that Holding had ever seen.

Yeah and both Philander and Steyn have better figures than both the two you named, so you can slice and dice it any which way you like, they were not the best attack in the world.

As if anyone would trust an ex Pakistani cricketer.

I must have missed the news? Is Micheal Holding living in Faisalabad with a Pakistani citizenship?

Amazing how you always forget about the racism and corruption displayed by the S African cricketers over the last 2 decades.

PlanetPakistan wrote:

taipan wrote:

PlanetPakistan wrote:Taipan,
You can't run away from the fact that Aamer was immensely talented.
According to ex Pakistani cricketers he was ahead of Wasim Akram. According to Micheal Holding at that age he was ahead of ANY pace bowler that Holding had ever seen.

Yeah and both Philander and Steyn have better figures than both the two you named, so you can slice and dice it any which way you like, they were not the best attack in the world.

As if anyone would trust an ex Pakistani cricketer.

I must have missed the news? Is Micheal Holding living in Faisalabad with a Pakistani citizenship?

Amazing how you always forget about the racism and corruption displayed by the S African cricketers over the last 2 decades.

Um you mentioned ex Pakstani cricketers. The quote from Holding is unattributed so therefore meaningless.

Care to fill me in on the raciam charges?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/6262651.stm

PlanetPakistan wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/6262651.stm

"There was quite a lot of racial abuse from the Pakistan fans towards our players and I think that provoked a lot of what happened," he said.


Next?

Ducking and diving your idiotic comment about Holding?

wow...
"we was provoked"....

now that's one excuse i have NEVER heard from a guilty party which was caught red handed.

Either you have a VERY boring life or you are purposely trying to be VERY silly.

Holding made those comments after one of the T20 matches played in England vs AUS. Poor guy also ended up almost crying on live TV when it became apparent that Aamer was in deep trouble.